The End of the BUSH Kangaroo courts!!

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by BrownShark, Jun 15, 2008.

  1. BrownShark

    BrownShark Banned

    June 14, 2008 The Supreme Court's Guantánamo Ruling: What Does It Mean?
    by Andy WorthingtonThose who cherish the United States' historical adherence to the rule of law – myself included – were delighted to hear that the US Supreme Court ruled on Thursday, in the case of Boumediene v. Bush, that the prisoners at Guantánamo "have the constitutional right to habeas corpus," enabling them to challenge the basis of their detention, under the terms of the 800-year old "Great Writ" of habeas corpus, which prohibits the suspension of prisoners' rights to challenge the basis of their detention except in "cases of rebellion or invasion."
    That this decision was required at all was remarkable, as it was almost four years ago, on 29 June 2004, that the Supreme Court ruled, in the case of Rasul v. Bush, that Guantánamo – chosen as a base for the prison because it was presumed to be beyond the reach of the US courts – was "in every practical respect a United States territory," and that the prisoners therefore had habeas corpus rights, enabling the prisoners to challenge the basis of their detention.
    The difference between then and now is that, in Rasul v.Bush, the Supreme Court ruled only that the prisoners had statutory habeas rights, and, following the ruling, the executive responded in two ways that completely undermined the Supreme Court's verdict.
    The first of these – as lawyers began applying to visit prisoners to establish habeas cases – was the establishment of Combatant Status Review Tribunals (CSRTs) at Guantánamo, which were set up, ostensibly, to review the prisoners' designation as "enemy combatants," who could be held without charge or trial. In reality, they were a lamentable replacement for a valid judicial challenge. Although the prisoners were allowed to present their own version of the events that led up to their capture, they were not allowed legal representation, and were subjected to secret evidence that they were unable to see or challenge.
    Last June, Lt. Col. Stephen Abraham, a veteran of US intelligence, who worked on the CSRTs, delivered a damning verdict on their legitimacy, condemning them as the administrative equivalent of show trials, reliant upon generalized and often "generic" evidence, and designed to rubber-stamp the prisoners' prior designation as "enemy combatants." Filed as an affidavit in Al Odah v. United States, one of the cases consolidated with Boumediene, Lt. Col. Abraham's testimony was regarded, by legal experts, as the trigger that spurred the Supreme Court, which had rejected an appeal on behalf of the prisoners in April 2007, to reverse its decision and to agree to hear the cases. The reversal was so rare that it had last taken place 60 years before.
    The executive's second response to Rasul was to remove the prisoners' statutory rights, persuading the third strand of the American power base – the politicians in Congress – to pass two hideously flawed pieces of legislation: the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005, and the Military Commissions Act of 2006.
    The Detainee Treatment Act (DTA), which originated as an anti-torture bill conceived by Senator John McCain, was hijacked by the executive, who managed to get an amendment passed that removed the prisoners' habeas rights, although the legislation was so shoddy that it was not entirely clear whether the prisoners had been stripped of their rights entirely, or whether pending cases would still be considered. What was clear, however, was that the DTA limited any review of the prisoners' cases to the DC Circuit Court (rather than the Supreme Court), preventing any independent fact-finding to challenge the substance of the administration's allegations, and mandating the judges to rule only on whether or not the CSRTs had followed their own rules, and whether or not those rules were valid.
    In the fall of 2006, following a second momentous decision in the Supreme Court, in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, in which the justices ruled that the proposed trials by Military Commission for those held at Guantánamo (which also relied on the use of secret evidence) were illegal under domestic and international law, the executive persuaded Congress to pass the Military Commissions Act (MCA), which reinstated the Military Commissions and also removed any lingering doubts about the prisoners' habeas rights, stating, explicitly, "No court, justice or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider an application for a writ of habeas corpus filed by or on behalf of an alien detained by the United States who has been determined by the United States to have been properly detained as an enemy combatant or is awaiting such determination." In a further attempt to stifle dissent, the MCA defined an "enemy combatant" as someone who has either engaged in or supported hostilities against the US, or "has been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another competent tribunal established under the authority of the President or the secretary of defense."
    The wheels of justice revolve so slowly that it has taken over a year and a half since the passing of the MCA for the Supreme Court to stamp its authority on the conceits of both the executive and Congress, and cynics can argue that all of this could have been avoided if the Supreme Court had insisted on the prisoners' Constitutional habeas rights in June 2004. Nevertheless, Thursday's ruling – however belatedly – comprehensively demolishes the habeas-stripping provisions of both the DTA and the MCA.
    In no uncertain terms, Justice Anthony Kennedy, delivering the Court's majority opinion, ruled that the "procedures for review of the detainees' status" in the DTA "are not an adequate and effective substitute for habeas corpus," and that therefore the habeas-stripping component of the MCA "operates as an unconstitutional suspension of the writ." These judgments, which should soundly embarrass the nations' politicians, could hardly be more clear, and although it is uncertain how the administration will respond in its dying days, it seems unlikely that the executive will be able to prevent a slew of habeas cases, which have, effectively, been held in a kind of legal gridlock for years, from progressing to court.
    The only other obvious recourse, which will also help the prisoners to escape from the intolerable legal limbo in which they have been held for up to six and a half years, is that the administration will suddenly develop a previously undreamt-of diplomatic dexterity, and will make arrangements for the release of a large number of the 273 remaining prisoners without having to endure the acute embarrassment of justifying, in a proper courtroom, the hearsay, the innuendo, the generic information masquerading as evidence, and the fruits of torture, coercion and bribery that it has used to imprison these men for so many years.
    Since 9/11, sadly, justice in the US has moved so slowly that on occasion it has appeared to be dead, but Thursday's verdict is a resounding triumph for the importance of the law as a check on unfettered executive power and the caprice of politicians. As Justice Kennedy stated in his opinion, "The laws and Constitution are designed to survive, and remain in force, in extraordinary times." He added, "To hold that the political branches may switch the Constitution on or off at will would lead to a regime in which they, not this court, say ‘what the law is,'" a quote from an 1803 ruling, in which the Supreme Court explained its right to review acts of Congress, which, of course, reinforces the supremacy of the separation of powers that lies at the heart of the United States Constitution.
  2. Overpaid Union Thug

    Overpaid Union Thug Well-Known Member

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  3. tieguy

    tieguy Banned

    turned out to be a beautifull fathers day here .
  4. scratch

    scratch Least Best Moderator Staff Member

    Lets not feed the Troll, guys.
  5. Overpaid Union Thug

    Overpaid Union Thug Well-Known Member

  6. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    You know, a kangaroo can kill a grown man.
  7. toonertoo

    toonertoo Most Awesome Dog Staff Member

    I love kangaroos!
  8. brett636

    brett636 Well-Known Member

    Interesting, I did not know that! And here I thought you could ride around in their pouch!
  9. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member


    Brett, stay out of the kiddie ride area and stick to the roller coasters and you won't be so wrong about animal physiology!


    I can see this thread is "HOPPING" right into the comedy channel!

    If it matters, (I doubt it) I'm glad the court ruled as it did too! Habeas Corpus is a historic western common law principle that should not be monkeyed around with. Lincoln was wrong and so was Bush!

  10. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    Speaking of pouches......

    Pony Express hoped to establish their service as a faster and more reliable conduit for the mail and win away the exclusive government mail contract.

    The pony express riders carried POUCHES !! :wink2:
  11. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    I use to have a neat leather pouch WAY back in the day made for me by a native American. The bead work was incredible. I used it to carry around my rolling papers, lighter and a bag of killer Columbian Red Bud!

    $125 a pound. I guess the dollar didn't just inflate the price of oil either!
  12. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    Oh, a man-purse !! Cool!
  13. browndevil

    browndevil Active Member

    God I miss my 20s
  14. scratch

    scratch Least Best Moderator Staff Member

    $125 an lb.? We used to pay $30-35 an oz. for some killer red, gold, or black C-Bo!
  15. tieguy

    tieguy Banned

    I've heard that three fingers measured an ounce so the trick was to get the friend with the fattest fingers to make the buy....:happy-very:
  16. brazenbrown

    brazenbrown New Member

    That's why the Mob uses three finger Louie for their sales, his fingers have been cut to size to make the boys a profit!:laughing:LOL!

    Oh, and hey...B.S. you've started an awful lot of threads lately, good thing your initials speak for themselves and the content of what you're spewing...

  17. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    And what was this thread started about?

    I also heard 3 Fingers Louie worked at the local brothel and his job......oh never mind!