How FOX news distorts a story to keep the drones in line....

Upsmule

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Here.....something nonpartisan from me for once ;) Albeit there isn't much these days TO be so....props to President Obama even though it was a shrewd and shallow campaign ploy, merely because of the timing grant it, for family members of illegals to apply for permanent residency. Kudos and here here. And those who lambasted him for it were purely partisan period. And there was one other thing, (seriously) but I've already forgotten it! :P
 

roadrunner2012

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When one is a disciple of the reactionary right in this country, the truth and facts dont matter. They just hear or read some nonsense on some hyper right wing site and never fact check anything. Then they feel self confident of their baloney when they get good rep points for infecting the BC with it. It is an endless cycle. You will never change their minds. They are far too gone in fundamentalist looney land!!

Yes, what is this 'rep point' thing and what does it matter? It seems there is an organized effort to reduce mine. What difference does it make? Seems like another Taliban tactic.
 
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804brown

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Yeah, I bitch and moan about this administration. And my world view is pretty much completely opposite of just about everything Obama says and does. But I would be just as critical of the last administration if its in the wrong, period. Wrong is wrong screw what letter comes after your name. And we're all Americans. Even the misguided ones.

As for this thread, no duh, FOX is slanted towards the right. But no more so than NBC CBS MSLSD and CNN are for the left. To each his own welcome to America.

I would agree with you on fox being solidly right wing (not just slanted). As for the others being "for the left", not really. They might appear left OF FOX but that dont make them ON THE LEFT. Even msnbc which is a very partisan democratic outfit supports obama's drone policies. Us on the left disagree with that. Msnbc gives excuses for his prosecuting of whistleblowers. Us on the left disagree with that. They pushed his centrist plan to expand the private sector health system (obamacare). Us on the left wanted single payer or at least the public option. Msnbc and the others also went after and made fun of OWS!! I could go on. So yes the establishment corporate "news" outlets might be partisan, but NONE OF THEM REPRESENT THE LEFT. For that point of view (truly LEFT WING not liberal)one needs to turn on Pacifica Radio or Democracy Now or Progressive Radio,etc.
 

Nimnim

The Nim
I would agree with you on fox being solidly right wing (not just slanted). As for the others being "for the left", not really. They might appear left OF FOX but that dont make them ON THE LEFT. Even msnbc which is a very partisan democratic outfit supports obama's drone policies. Us on the left disagree with that. Msnbc gives excuses for his prosecuting of whistleblowers. Us on the left disagree with that. They pushed his centrist plan to expand the private sector health system (obamacare). Us on the left wanted single payer or at least the public option. Msnbc and the others also went after and made fun of OWS!! I could go on. So yes the establishment corporate "news" outlets might be partisan, but NONE OF THEM REPRESENT THE LEFT. For that point of view (truly LEFT WING not liberal)one needs to turn on Pacifica Radio or Democracy Now or Progressive Radio,etc.

So are you saying that the left doesn't agree with Obama, or that the "left" media is even further left than those citizens on the left believe?

Edit: There's no way I'd be able to believe the "left" media is centrist so I have to put them in the further left category. If they were centrist there'd be more support from the "right" than there is as there'd be potential common ground more often.
 

oldngray

nowhere special
the establishment corporate "news" outlets might be partisan, but NONE OF THEM REPRESENT THE LEFT?

If they are partisan which party do they support? Not the right of course. And to you liberal isn't left. To you LEFT is just left of you which is already left of center.
 

wkmac

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the establishment corporate "news" outlets might be partisan, but NONE OF THEM REPRESENT THE LEFT?

If they are partisan which party do they support? Not the right of course. And to you liberal isn't left. To you LEFT is just left of you which is already left of center.

It's called controlled opposition and when you learn the 2 parties are nothing more than 2 wings of the same bird of prey, it becomes a much clearer picture.
 

bbsam

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So are you saying that the left doesn't agree with Obama, or that the "left" media is even further left than those citizens on the left believe?

Edit: There's no way I'd be able to believe the "left" media is centrist so I have to put them in the further left category. If they were centrist there'd be more support from the "right" than there is as there'd be potential common ground more often.

This is easy to prove. If you think the "left media" has an agenda, just compare the agenda to what right and left had been representing in the 70's, 80's, and 90's. The right wing is the one that's pulls everything far right. Obama in history has run a centrist Administration. From Obamacare to leaving "to big to fail" intact to the prosecution of the "war on terror", the medias backing of these policies can't honestly be called "left".
 

Necropostophiliac

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Yes, what is this 'rep point' thing and what does it matter? It seems there is an organized effort to reduce mine. What difference does it make? Seems like another Taliban tactic.
You sure seem to use "this rep point" thing to NEG REP freely. For someone who professes it does not matter
it is obvious you like to dish it out when you hit me 5-25-2013.
 

moreluck

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Originally Posted by roadrunner2012
Yes, what is this 'rep point' thing and what does it matter? It seems there is an organized effort to reduce mine. What difference does it make? ......"



Must be a recent grad. from the Hilary University !!
 

Nimnim

The Nim
This is easy to prove. If you think the "left media" has an agenda, just compare the agenda to what right and left had been representing in the 70's, 80's, and 90's. The right wing is the one that's pulls everything far right. Obama in history has run a centrist Administration. From Obamacare to leaving "to big to fail" intact to the prosecution of the "war on terror", the medias backing of these policies can't honestly be called "left".

I'm just going to say one thing, I don't thing the "left media" has an agenda. I know they do, just as every other media outlet does. I'll never deny that. The only thing I may contest is what the agenda may be.

Personally I wouldn't say the policies Obama has put forth or continued are hard line left, but he also plays politics quite well. No president, or most politicians, can survive if they go too far left or right, but that doesn't mean their target isn't one or the other. Aim for one thing, let a few slide while pushing for another. I can't say what his ultimate goal is, but most things I've seen him push for are not things I am in agreement with.
 

bbsam

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But much of what Obama has pushed has been supported by Republicans in the past. That is simple history. Nixon proposed healthcare reform. Obamacare is marketbased just like Republican answers to Hillarycare. Wall Street owns both parties. Very little before sequester ever threatened military spending. Oh, and as many like to point out, that was Obamas idea. To promote a more right country seems to me simply buying into the extreme right wing propaganda of calling anything Obama does "leftist" or "socialist" or "Marxist" or "communist".
 

Nimnim

The Nim
But much of what Obama has pushed has been supported by Republicans in the past. That is simple history. Nixon proposed healthcare reform. Obamacare is marketbased just like Republican answers to Hillarycare. Wall Street owns both parties. Very little before sequester ever threatened military spending. Oh, and as many like to point out, that was Obamas idea. To promote a more right country seems to me simply buying into the extreme right wing propaganda of calling anything Obama does "leftist" or "socialist" or "Marxist" or "communist".

I support healthcare reform, but that for me involves more choices, better options, not mandated requirements.

I do agree Wall Street owns both parties, and I don't like that. Wall Street should have influence, but not own parties.

​I'm very constitutional about what the federal government should be doing so the sequester didn't bother me much at all. The only bother I had was how inflexible things were. Each department has things that are more important than others, so those things should be less effected.

Really tons of things shouldn't be done by the federal government. Much more control to the states should be in place.

Edit: I realize I'm deviating from the topic of this thread so I'll be more hesitant to respond in this thread.
 

moreluck

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Nimnim, don't hesitate to post even if it is off topic. You will mess up the odds of our off-topic betting action at Babooba Betting Booths across the country.. There are mega-bucks bet as to who will stray off topic.......at what # post it will happen and all combos thereof.

Do what comes naturally !
 

Nimnim

The Nim
Nimnim, don't hesitate to post even if it is off topic. You will mess up the odds of our off-topic betting action at Babooba Betting Booths across the country.. There are mega-bucks bet as to who will stray off topic.......at what # post it will happen and all combos thereof.

Do what comes naturally !

Yes, every thread deviates, but I personally try to reduce it, 4B be damned. ^_^

Oh crap I'm further deviating now!
 

bbsam

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I won't hesitate. Nimnim, consider what you posted about healthcare and choice. Obamacare only sets the floor. Consider what the industry will be able to do above and beyond. That 2900 pages of legislation is only the beginnng of the products and services that the healthcare industry will roll out. All made possible by a larger pool of participants. That's how insurance works.



Why is this applicable in this thread? Because Fox News will just hammer "government takeover" even if it is a complete falsehood.
 

wkmac

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The last time I voted democrat or republican in a Presidential campaign was 1980', by the 90's I was done with the 2 parties completely and now I've just walked away from the whole contrived process.

IMO when you disconnect from the 2 ruling parties, their narratives and required loyalties disappear and you can just look at them for what they are and not be trapped by the rhetorical narratives they spin.

For all those words spun and spun to make us think there is a difference, when the actual process of governance takes place, it's all in and around the middle. The extremes on both sides get lots of language, mostly by opponents hurling them at each other for effect but when the ink is dry on the legislation and you look back in the real actions, the committee minutes are good places to look, then as history rolls by the truth of the backroom dealings come out, you realize that so little really separates these people in the first place.

How is it that the same economic interests pump billions of dollars into both sides, regardless of party we see the same similar faces coming out of private life into public life and across time regardless of party, the rhetoric rarely transforms to legislation yet we fight to the death as if it has? But the industries and interests of the people appointed from private life into public sure seem to do very well in the process. Who's pulling those strings to keep us locked into this illusion while they robbed the hen house? What? Where? When? Why? How? Who?

When I hear Obama called a marxists or communist on an issue, first place I go is to the marxist and communist websites to see what they are saying and more often than not, the critical critique of Obama is even more compelling than what the "conservatives" are dishing up. Same is true of republicans when they are called rightwing extremes, etc. I go to the paleo-conservative sites and again the critical critiques of the repubs are equally compelling reads.

While the middle controls the narrative under the illusion of difference, the so-called extremes are beginning to merge having realized on principle they agree far more than they differ and that the difference is really just about tactics. The desired destination however is often the same or very similar. It's no wonder that so-called progressive left websites like Counterpunch are as often to post op-eds by not just such principled folk of the left but paleo-conservatives and even the likes of anarchists/anti-state writers like Sheldon Richman or Kevin Carson. Or websites like LewRockwell will interview left/feminist Naomi Wolf or champion the writings of a Glenn Greenwald or even a Jeremy Scahill. Wolf even has championed dialogue with the Tea Party groups and has even spoken to several. So much for the myth that the left and right don't have some common values.

Once you break out from the narratives, it's like Humpty Dumpty and regardless of what the King's men do, they can never reconstruct Humpty Dumpty in your mind again.
 

oldngray

nowhere special
There is no way you can call Obama centrist. He is radical left so of course if you use that as your baseline true centrist would be to the right of him.
 

roadrunner2012

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You sure seem to use "this rep point" thing to NEG REP freely. For someone who professes it does not matter
it is obvious you like to dish it out when you hit me 5-25-2013.

You mean after you hit me with this on 5/16? Seems like you can dish it out, but can't take it back in return. Typical schoolyard/internet forum bully.


 

Upsmule

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This thread title itself is utter buul****e. It should read....."How FOX news reports stories without withholding the parts of said story that would put a particular candidate in a bad light."

Leftist "news" outlets are so disproportionate that when an ostrich is subjected to the parts if a story that's been deliberately kept from them, in typical knee jerk reaction they cry boo hoo hoo and fowl.

That's all this thread is period.
 
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