Hoffa: Time to protect pensions

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Hoffa: It’s Time to Protect Pensions
DECEMBER 6, 2017
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By James P. Hoffa
Published in the Detroit News, Dec. 6, 2017


Pensions supply a secure retirement for millions of Americans across the country. But increasingly, some plans have faced financial challenges that threaten the nest eggs of many who toiled for decades with the understanding they would be taken care of in their golden years.

About 200 multi-employer pensions across the country, including the Teamsters’ Central States Pension Fund that oversees the retirements of tens of thousands of Michigan Teamsters in every congressional district, stand on the brink of failure. The Teamsters have been working diligently for years with key members of Congress trying to come up with a solution to this pension crisis. And with the release of new legislation last month, the union believes it has found it.

The bill would boost financially troubled multi-employer pensions so they don’t fail. It would create a new agency under the U.S. Treasury Department that would sell bonds in the open market to large investors such as financial firms. The dollars raised, in turn, would go to these retirement plans to stave off cuts or complete failure.

Leaders in Congress are endorsing the plan because it protects workers. “Democrats are offering hardworking Americans across the country a better deal to protect their pensions, because the families of ironworkers, truck drivers, steelworkers and many more deserve a secure and bright future,” Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) said.

Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), a lead sponsor of the measure, called the introduction of the “Butch Lewis Act of 2017,” named after the former Teamsters Local 100 President who died in late 2015 while fighting to prevent cuts to Central States Pension Fund, one of the proudest days of his life. He said workers deserve to receive the pensions they worked so hard for to get.

“This bill is comprehensive. It includes the miners, the Teamsters and others,” he said. “It makes no cuts. We started with the ideas of no cuts and there will be no cuts. This is a plan that will work.”

Rep. Richard Neal (D-Mass.), sponsor of the House version of the bill, added, “With this bill, we responsibly shore up multi-employer pension plans and guarantee retirees the full benefits they earned.”

A new agency, the Pension Rehabilitation Administration (PRA), would lend money from the sale of the bonds to the financially troubled pension plans. Plans that are deemed “critical” and “declining,” as well as recently insolvent but non-terminated plans and those that have suspended benefits would be eligible to apply for the program. For those plans needing additional help, the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation would be available to make up the difference.

Pension plans borrowing from PRA would be required to set aside money in separate safe investments such as annuities or bonds that match the pension payments for retirees. Those applying for loans to the PRA would also have to submit detailed financial projections. The PRA would be charged with approving all loans before they could be issued. Pension plans that have borrowed money would have to submit reports every three years to the PRA to show that the loans are working.

If failing pension plans are allowed to go belly up, the retirement benefits of some 1.5 million Americans could be at risk. That, in turn, would affect the nation’s coffers. In 2015, for instance, multi-employer pensioners paid more than $35 billion in federal taxes.

It’s time lawmakers stick up for working Americans who have played by the rules. Passing this bill would be a good start.
By protect pensions he means please give us more money to mismanage.
 

Brownslave688

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If the model has stumbled , change the model . Don't throw the baby out with the bath water .
I don't care what government agencies offer , they certainly aren't THE model .
Organized labors standard of benefits must be distinct and unlike all others.
401k , 401b , 401pdq , invest and save however . But , do not buy what the company is selling simply because the funds are in trouble .
History proves , if the company wants it , you don't . If the negotiated pension plan is done away with under the guise of " I want to be responsible for my own future " and " Give me the money you are giving the thieving union " , mark it down , the worker will be burnt .
After you are fooled with " I don't want a pension plan , I can do better myself " , you will soon be buying your own health care also .
No pension , no health insurance , whats next ? Who knows , but don't be surprised by the flood that will roll in once you open the gate.
Any union man knows , once you have something negotiated and in a contract , don't ever , ever let it go .
The contract covers how much money the company puts into the pension on ones behalf.


That doesn't have to change but instead of the teamsters having control of it the individual could have control of it.
 

BrownFlush

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Every nickel thats ever been negotiated and gained by the Teamsters from UPS , whether it be for pension , health , or wages , is seen by the company as throwing "good money after bad ." They hate giving you anything regardless of where it goes.
Since pension funds are struggling , the cry of give me the money and do away with the pension is whats being heard .
I'm saying thats the wrong reaction . Don't lose the pension language . When everything tanked a few years back , we all were set back ( including pension funds , thus the reason for the struggle ) . Now , most individual investments have recovered and back well in the green .
During the huge losses in the market , my pension check never changed . Just sayin' during that time , what money I invested in my 30 , the return has been unbeatable.
I knew several people who were going to retire in 2009 with their "individual " retirement accounts and because of the crash of 08 , they got the opportunity to work 7 more years . Two people I know are still working and haven't recovered from their losses .
If you lose the pension language and think you are going to get same negotiated raises ( as well as the effort for those raises ) for your " individual " retirement , your dreaming.
Do the 401k dance with your wages ( you make enough ).
Let the union mismanage ( not my opinion ) the pension , at their worst , the Teamsters have done right by me every time . I can't say the same for UPS.
I guess that may be one of the reasons why the union is struggling these days .The word "individual " doesn't fit in the word Union.
 

Brownslave688

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Every nickel thats ever been negotiated and gained by the Teamsters from UPS , whether it be for pension , health , or wages , is seen by the company as throwing "good money after bad ." They hate giving you anything regardless of where it goes.
Since pension funds are struggling , the cry of give me the money and do away with the pension is whats being heard .
I'm saying thats the wrong reaction . Don't lose the pension language . When everything tanked a few years back , we all were set back ( including pension funds , thus the reason for the struggle ) . Now , most individual investments have recovered and back well in the green .
During the huge losses in the market , my pension check never changed . Just sayin' during that time , what money I invested in my 30 , the return has been unbeatable.
I knew several people who were going to retire in 2009 with their "individual " retirement accounts and because of the crash of 08 , they got the opportunity to work 7 more years . Two people I know are still working and haven't recovered from their losses .
If you lose the pension language and think you are going to get same negotiated raises ( as well as the effort for those raises ) for your " individual " retirement , your dreaming.
Do the 401k dance with your wages ( you make enough ).
Let the union mismanage ( not my opinion ) the pension , at their worst , the Teamsters have done right by me every time . I can't say the same for UPS.
I guess that may be one of the reasons why the union is struggling these days .The word "individual " doesn't fit in the word Union.
 

Jones

fILE A GRIEVE!
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TheBrownFlush is right about one thing, get rid of the pension and the pension contributions will disappear along with it.
 

Jones

fILE A GRIEVE!
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And the reasoning...
Stuff like that doesn't happen in a vacuum. A guaranteed pension is one of the union's strongest selling points and they will never willingly negotiate it away. If we lose the pension it will mean the union has become essentially powerless and can't even call a strike. We would probably get a 401k match of 6% or something like that but the idea that 4-5 dollars per hour that currently go into the pension fund would instead go into your paycheck will never happen.
 
Stuff like that doesn't happen in a vacuum. A guaranteed pension is one of the union's strongest selling points and they will never willingly negotiate it away. If we lose the pension it will mean the union has become essentially powerless and can't even call a strike. We would probably get a 401k match of 6% or something like that but the idea that 4-5 dollars per hour that currently go into the pension fund would instead go into your paycheck will never happen.
They won't call a strike anyways.
 

Brownslave688

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Stuff like that doesn't happen in a vacuum. A guaranteed pension is one of the union's strongest selling points and they will never willingly negotiate it away. If we lose the pension it will mean the union has become essentially powerless and can't even call a strike. We would probably get a 401k match of 6% or something like that but the idea that 4-5 dollars per hour that currently go into the pension fund would instead go into your paycheck will never happen.
I think it's more like $10 and hour towards pension. At least it is here.


I agree but for different reasons. It won't happen because the union won't fight for it to happen. Even if it's what workers want what incentive to they have to move away from a pension?
 

BrownFlush

Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
I know how I may sound to some of the more enlightened people who post on this forum . I was paying union dues before most of you were probably born .
The strike to keep the union in control of the pension , was of course about money . ( Ding ! Ding ! Ding ! Tell us what he wins Johnny ! )
If the union looses that revenue to you , the loss will be no different .
You can cry over no control and how they are flushing " your " money that they , and lets not forget that , they negotiated for you .
Less money at the Palace means less power . Less power means less influence . Less influence means good contracts will be only a memory for the me generation .
You take the gains negotiated like its owed to you . When something isn't going the way you think , time to bail and bitch .
If you change the pension language this contract and you (the individual )get the contribution , I guarantee you that when the next contract rolls around , you will be adding to your 401k from your wages alone . There will be no contribution .
Don't bite the hand that represents you .
 
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Jones

fILE A GRIEVE!
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I think it's more like $10 and hour towards pension. At least it is here.


I agree but for different reasons. It won't happen because the union won't fight for it to happen. Even if it's what workers want what incentive to they have to move away from a pension?
I disagree that that's what workers want. Most working folks aren't star investors (that's why they're working) and the idea of a guaranteed pension is very appealing to them.
 

Brownslave688

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I disagree that that's what workers want. Most working folks aren't star investors (that's why they're working) and the idea of a guaranteed pension is very appealing to them.
I'm not saying it is what they want. I'm say even if it was it wouldn't matter.
 
I think it's more like $10 and hour towards pension. At least it is here.


I agree but for different reasons. It won't happen because the union won't fight for it to happen. Even if it's what workers want what incentive to they have to move away from a pension?
It's over 26k a year. Many other companies pulled out of our pension plan because they could see the writing on the wall.
 
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