I drink your milkshake! a metaphor for capitalism

rickyb

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railways pay lip service to safety the way neoliberals like obama pay lip service to liberal reform.

@zubenelgenubi Two BNSF workers died this month due to COVID-19 and work accident

A BNSF worker told the World Socialist Web Site, “I have been with BNSF for 13 years. The conditions have never been great, considering I work for a billion dollar company. We are in the business of running trains, and that is what is on their mind, not protecting people.
 

zubenelgenubi

I'm a star
railways pay lip service to safety the way neoliberals like obama pay lip service to liberal reform.

@zubenelgenubi Two BNSF workers died this month due to COVID-19 and work accident

A BNSF worker told the World Socialist Web Site, “I have been with BNSF for 13 years. The conditions have never been great, considering I work for a billion dollar company. We are in the business of running trains, and that is what is on their mind, not protecting people.

Every individual is responsible for his or her own safety. When you depend on uncaring corporations to keep you safe, that's when you get hurt. Once the expectation, from a regulatory standpoint, is on the business to keep people safe, and not on the individual to keep themselves safe, they start to enact one-size-fits-all safety solutions, geared at appeasing insurance companies. This all but eliminates a person's ability to make good decisions for their own safety. Not sure why people get tripped up on this extremely self-evident reality.
 

rickyb

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Every individual is responsible for his or her own safety. When you depend on uncaring corporations to keep you safe, that's when you get hurt. Once the expectation, from a regulatory standpoint, is on the business to keep people safe, and not on the individual to keep themselves safe, they start to enact one-size-fits-all safety solutions, geared at appeasing insurance companies. This all but eliminates a person's ability to make good decisions for their own safety. Not sure why people get tripped up on this extremely self-evident reality.
so is the current design of railway equipment safe enough or are they getting away with murder?
 

zubenelgenubi

I'm a star
so is the current design of railway equipment safe enough or are they getting away with murder?

I don't have any idea. @MisplacedRailWorker seems to think it's safe enough, you don't. I say if it's too unsafe to do a task, a person should refuse to do it. If someone else is willing, then that person should probably have that job. It's common sense, like George Lucas says.
 

rickyb

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I don't have any idea. @MisplacedRailWorker seems to think it's safe enough, you don't. I say if it's too unsafe to do a task, a person should refuse to do it. If someone else is willing, then that person should probably have that job. It's common sense, like George Lucas says.
having someone else agree to do an unsafe task doesnt sound like common sense to me or an excuse to let them do it either.
 

rickyb

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Ok, I say all work is too unsafe. No more working for anyone. That sound about right? Safety culture kills.
no that doesnt sound right because the economy is oriented towards profits not safety or democracy.

so i say one thing, another guy says another and you have no idea what to believe?

the hose is what you are supposed to put together as a conductor. youre supposed to have one foot in the rails and one foot out if i recall. does that look safe to you? i know someone who lost toes

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zubenelgenubi

I'm a star
no that doesnt sound right because the economy is oriented towards profits not safety or democracy.

so i say one thing, another guy says another and you have no idea what to believe?

the hose is what you are supposed to put together as a conductor. youre supposed to have one foot in the rails and one foot out if i recall. does that look safe to you? i know someone who lost toes

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The person who feels safe enough doing it should do it, if no one does it, they'll have to make it safer. Common sense. George Lucas.
 

rickyb

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The person who feels safe enough doing it should do it, if no one does it, they'll have to make it safer. Common sense. George Lucas.
you dont have to be so angry, its ok. theres alot of idiots out there who cant self regulate and will do work which shouldnt be done by anyone.
 

zubenelgenubi

I'm a star
so as long as we can find someone dumb enough to do it, then it must be good enough? doesnt sound like common sense to me sherlock

If you don't think it's safe enough for anyone to do, why wouldn't that logic apply everywhere? No job is risk free, so where's the line? Who gets to decide what is safe enough to do? If you don't feel like you can safely do a job, don't do it. I don't feel safe enough to install roofs for a living, it is an objectively dangerous job, does that mean no one should ever build a roof? Or should the guys who feel comfortable enough doing it be the ones to do it? Does that make them stupid? The amount of disdain you have for the working man is pretty grotesque.
 

rickyb

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If you don't think it's safe enough for anyone to do, why wouldn't that logic apply everywhere? No job is risk free, so where's the line? Who gets to decide what is safe enough to do? If you don't feel like you can safely do a job, don't do it. I don't feel safe enough to install roofs for a living, it is an objectively dangerous job, does that mean no one should ever build a roof? Or should the guys who feel comfortable enough doing it be the ones to do it? Does that make them stupid? The amount of disdain you have for the working man is pretty grotesque.
yea how does the govt decide on laws? part of it is through corruption from the rich.

yes ppl who risk their lives doing work which shouldnt be done by anyone are stupid, cant self regulate and are victims.
 

rickyb

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Are there laws compelling you to do work you find to be too dangerous? There are laws compelling speech in Canada, so forced labor in the gulag can't be far behind.
there are a lack of laws protecting worker's safety ill tell you that.

how do gov't's decide on laws? certainly there are some experts out there.
 
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