Off the leash
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I’m probably twice your age, I’ve been watching this unfold for a long time
I drink your milkshake! a metaphor for capitalism
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old age doesnt mean anything, but its good u caught that.
Off the leash
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Your right, but experience does
like i wouldnt ask my dad about canadian politics, even though he is old.
Off the leash
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Sometimes you have to live through something to really understand it.
yea i dont get how ppl keep voting for corrupt politicians. i would guess my pops has done it every time.
Off the leash
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Because people think everyone else’s politician is corrupt but theirs is a good guy.
ive seen possible good politicians turn corrupt like the squad. problem is putting ones faith in a politician in the first place. politics is a game of fear; they try and make us afraid, and its our job to make them even more afraid.
Off the leash
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In the end they’re only concerned with getting re-elected
yep they are mostly mediocre or bad
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Whores
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CH: Well, you have a quote in the book, I don’t know where it is, but it’s from a military recruiter where they target people who have heavy student debt quite consciously.
TG: Yeah, and it, you know, it comes down to what does it mean to genuinely be free if all of our choices are determined by a form of economic coercion, whether it’s at the workplace or in our daily lives? Can we genuinely say that we have any meaningful freedom? So I think, not just being free from debt, but having liberating wages is--and having some kind of democracy in the workplace is key to any, like, genuine, meaningful sense of freedom.
CH: The New York Times ran a piece a couple months--a few months ago where they talk precisely about the stagnation of wages, and said that if wages have been tied to productivity, which since the 1970s had--has gone up by about 77%, if I remember, the minimum wage would be at least $20 an hour. But wages, of course, have been suppressed. This is also an issue you address in the book by design, because the financialization of the economy with offshoring and deindustrialization has been the key mechanism by which large financial firms and banks are able to amass these profits. And just speak about that before we go into the nature of resistance.
TG: Yeah. Part of what we really want to punch holes in and dispel is the idea that if you’re in debt, it’s because of your personal moral failings, that you didn’t work hard enough or you made poor choices. Granted there are some people who do make poor choices, but the vast majority of us are forced into debt because we’re denied the means to live, not because we live beyond our means. Since World War II, wages have stagnated, even though for a whole host of reasons. The wealth that we’re producing has increased rapidly, but that wealth has been captured by the one percent. And instead of paying us for our labor, we’re forced to go into debt to meet our basic needs, because even though our wages have remained stagnant, the cost of our basic needs like health care, housing and education, have gone up and up and up and up. So, you know, buying a large flat screen TV, the price has gone down significantly. But if you need to see a doctor, the price has gone up quite a bit.
CH: Well, you have--this is from the book, more than 40% of indebted households use credit cards to cover basic living costs including rent, food, and utilities, some 62% of personal bankruptcies, as I mentioned in the opening, are due to. So what you created is a system by where in order to survive subsistence level, meeting your most basic needs, requires you to go into debt for the majority of American households.
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TG: Yeah, and it, you know, it comes down to what does it mean to genuinely be free if all of our choices are determined by a form of economic coercion, whether it’s at the workplace or in our daily lives? Can we genuinely say that we have any meaningful freedom? So I think, not just being free from debt, but having liberating wages is--and having some kind of democracy in the workplace is key to any, like, genuine, meaningful sense of freedom.
CH: The New York Times ran a piece a couple months--a few months ago where they talk precisely about the stagnation of wages, and said that if wages have been tied to productivity, which since the 1970s had--has gone up by about 77%, if I remember, the minimum wage would be at least $20 an hour. But wages, of course, have been suppressed. This is also an issue you address in the book by design, because the financialization of the economy with offshoring and deindustrialization has been the key mechanism by which large financial firms and banks are able to amass these profits. And just speak about that before we go into the nature of resistance.
TG: Yeah. Part of what we really want to punch holes in and dispel is the idea that if you’re in debt, it’s because of your personal moral failings, that you didn’t work hard enough or you made poor choices. Granted there are some people who do make poor choices, but the vast majority of us are forced into debt because we’re denied the means to live, not because we live beyond our means. Since World War II, wages have stagnated, even though for a whole host of reasons. The wealth that we’re producing has increased rapidly, but that wealth has been captured by the one percent. And instead of paying us for our labor, we’re forced to go into debt to meet our basic needs, because even though our wages have remained stagnant, the cost of our basic needs like health care, housing and education, have gone up and up and up and up. So, you know, buying a large flat screen TV, the price has gone down significantly. But if you need to see a doctor, the price has gone up quite a bit.
CH: Well, you have--this is from the book, more than 40% of indebted households use credit cards to cover basic living costs including rent, food, and utilities, some 62% of personal bankruptcies, as I mentioned in the opening, are due to. So what you created is a system by where in order to survive subsistence level, meeting your most basic needs, requires you to go into debt for the majority of American households.
On Contact: Economic disobedience and debt abolition
On the show this week, Chris Hedges discuss economic disobedience and debt refusal with Thomas Gokey from Debt Collective
wally you must be very proud
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US min wage ($7.25/hour since 2009) lost 12% of its value due to price rises since 2009. It lost 34% of its value since 1968. Hurting the poorest this way is what GOP and Dems did over last 50 years! Sleeze politics.
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Richard D. Wolff
@profwolff
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Jul 26
US min wage ($7.25/hour since 2009) lost 12% of its value due to price rises since 2009. It lost 34% of its value since 1968. Hurting the poorest this way is what GOP and Dems did over last 50 years! Sleeze politics.
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If you think it's oppressive for corporations to require vaccines, wait 'til you hear about unpaid internships, mandated overtime, unpaid sick days, raiding of retirement funds, non-compete agreements for fast-food workers, everything Amazon does, at-will employment agreements,
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A wake up thread: Economists warn about a looming global economic depression Human rights groups warn about increasing levels of abuse Free speech groups warn about massive censorship Scientists warn about our planet dying The doomsday clock is closer than ever to the end
Kim Kelly
@GrimKim
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1h
“In a final step towards a formal decision, the Hearing Officer who presided over the case has determined that Amazon violated labor law; and is recommending that the Regional Director set aside the results of the election and direct a second election.” LET’S
ING GOOOO
[IMG alt="Today, the hearing officer for the NLRB formally submitted her initial recommendation on the Objections filed by RWDSU. The union had charged Amazon with illegal misconduct during the union vote in Bessemer, Alabama. In a final step towards a formal decision, the Hearing Officer who presided over the case has determined that Amazon violated labor law; and is recommending that the Regional Director set aside the results of the election and direct a second election.
Workers endured an intensive anti-union campaign designed by Amazon to intimidate and interfere with their choice on whether or not to form a union. Today’s recommendation is based on Amazon’s illegal tactics and shows how the company was willing to use any and all tactics, illegal or otherwise, to stop workers from forming a union. Workers now await a formal Decision on Objections from the Regional Director, which would include a Direction of a Second Election if the hearing officer’s recommendation is adopted"]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E70eW9dWUAEWpnx?format=jpg&name=900x900[/IMG]
@GrimKim
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1h
“In a final step towards a formal decision, the Hearing Officer who presided over the case has determined that Amazon violated labor law; and is recommending that the Regional Director set aside the results of the election and direct a second election.” LET’S
ING GOOOO[IMG alt="Today, the hearing officer for the NLRB formally submitted her initial recommendation on the Objections filed by RWDSU. The union had charged Amazon with illegal misconduct during the union vote in Bessemer, Alabama. In a final step towards a formal decision, the Hearing Officer who presided over the case has determined that Amazon violated labor law; and is recommending that the Regional Director set aside the results of the election and direct a second election.
Workers endured an intensive anti-union campaign designed by Amazon to intimidate and interfere with their choice on whether or not to form a union. Today’s recommendation is based on Amazon’s illegal tactics and shows how the company was willing to use any and all tactics, illegal or otherwise, to stop workers from forming a union. Workers now await a formal Decision on Objections from the Regional Director, which would include a Direction of a Second Election if the hearing officer’s recommendation is adopted"]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E70eW9dWUAEWpnx?format=jpg&name=900x900[/IMG]
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