I drink your milkshake! a metaphor for capitalism

rickyb

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roughly 100 years ago in america:

"I leafed through copies of Appeal to Reason, the Socialist party newspaper Debs edited, which once had almost 800,000 readers and the fourth highest circulation in the country." - chris hedges

id expect something similar to return considering how poorly capitalism is operating. i mean, capitalism has always been bad, but this could be the worst ever.
 

rickyb

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my coworker who is american came back from LA with a communist paper at some march that by coincidence they walked by. very happy the country is getting over its over blown fears of questioning capitalism.

on a side note i feel like capitalism has most people doing such meaningless work that your life every year can be narrowed down to a few moments of when you actually contribute something worthwhile to society, if that.
 

BrownArmy

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my coworker who is american came back from LA with a communist paper at some march that by coincidence they walked by. very happy the country is getting over its over blown fears of questioning capitalism.

on a side note i feel like capitalism has most people doing such meaningless work that your life every year can be narrowed down to a few moments of when you actually contribute something worthwhile to society, if that.

I was seventeen years old as well, back in the day.
 

Catatonic

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i feel like capitalism has most people doing such meaningless work that your life every year can be narrowed down to a few moments of when you actually contribute something worthwhile to society, if that.
Some people have a deeper understanding of their role in a process.
Tightening up a nut 3000 times a day is drudgery but it is essential and contributes to the end deliverable.
 

1989

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im the only one at my job who works to rule which means i go alot slower than everyone. there are some who just :censored2: off entirely; i call them militants. some of hte guys with different job titles work even slower than me. but for the most part, its widespread brain damage.

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E-Trade is accidentally stumbling into socialism in this commercial

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You are the master of your domain.
 

1989

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you have no idea....

how much does UPS profit off of you per hour? wages adjusted for inflation have been flat since 1973. your not spoiled, you just have low expectations of freedom
I am talking with the wife about leaving UPS. Luckily I don't have to worry about selling my co op share in the company. I am free to walk at anytime.
 

rickyb

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Some people have a deeper understanding of their role in a process.
Tightening up a nut 3000 times a day is drudgery but it is essential and contributes to the end deliverable.
its pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of things. i dont want to say that being percieved means what your doing is meaningful either.

ive never done a job which meant anything. fuel truck driving, railway conductor, all bull:censored2: and very destructive.
 

rickyb

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There is no perfect system, but co ops have many flaws that you don't speak of. A basic profit sharing system is more transparent and less burdensome.
capitalism centralizes decision making and power. so my supervisor jokingly blackmailed me the other day and said if i dont come in for 1 hour OT, then hes gonna remember it when i want to come in early the next time.

coops have the opportunity to decentralize power.

capitalism doesnt have me convinced especially all the well respected people i listen to who are against it and in favor of coops.
 

rickyb

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There is no perfect system, but co ops have many flaws that you don't speak of. A basic profit sharing system is more transparent and less burdensome.
capitalism also doesnt have me convinced because its fundamentally undemocratic. ive done jobs where at any given time a majority of workers would say "we shouldnt do this (because its unsafe / unjust / etc)" but were forced to do it anyways because its capitalism and capitalism doesnt care about what a majority of workers want.

capitalism is like having a choice between which dictatorship treats you the best. or you can start your own, or if your lucky you can by pass it altogether; but that doesnt mean capitalism should exist.
 

rickyb

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something wierd happened at my job. the company gives us a bonus if we stay for 2 hours overtime after our scheduled shift. but recently they went even cheaper and say if you do OT before your shift then you dont get OT because it clearly states in the union agreement it must be after your shift.

so you would think all the workers would say "no" and do it after. but almost all have their backs bent and do it before.

so my conclusion is workers bargaining position in markets is terribly weak in north america, and also when you lower peoples expectations all the time then you can rip them off more.
 

rickyb

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french child care vs US child care. child care is very expensive where i live as well, theres only 1 province where its socialized and very affordable. not sure how easy it is to get childcare there though. instead of spending all its money on military empire like USA, france spends some of it on empire and some of it on things which are actually useful ;):

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But the reality is, simply revamping our kids’ diets and our sense of joie de vivre wouldn’t make up for all the institutional support French women enjoy. So before latching onto the next do-it-like-the-French checklist, we should acknowledge the following:

  • French women get paid to have babies. Unlike in the US, new mothers don’t have to take unpaid disability leave to have their kids. They get 16 full weeks of paid leave for the first and second child, and 26 for the third. They also get a government allowance for having kids based on their income, including supplements if they want to go part-time or hire a nanny.
  • French women get affordable and available childcare. Women can take their babies to a crèche, or high-quality day care center, from about six weeks of age (granted, there are often waiting lists), which helps mothers to go back to work. Families pay on a sliding scale based on income and the centers are highly regulated with national standards. And, perhaps most importantly, the staff are well-paid and have very low turnover, unlike in the US, where child care is treated like the wild wild west.
  • French women have access to full-time baby chefs. The food in the crèche and school systems is notoriously excellent, which takes the pressure off parents to get it all just right at home. Rather than indulge in rubbery chicken nuggets, kids eat three course meals. They are even introduced to foods in a scientifically proven way to make them less picky. A typical Tuesday? Fresh bread, cucumber salad with cream fraiche, veal sautéed in olives and broccoli, goat cheese, gâteau de semoule fait maison au caramel.
  • French women send their kids to school at age 3. When the crèche ends, school begins, and it doesn’t have to end at 3pm! Kids in France can start school by age 3. There are three years of preschool and a year of kindergarten, all of which are free. When kids start real school, they can go early to a garderie and stay late, from 4:30pm usually until 6:30pm, according to Pamela Druckerman, author of Bringing Up Bebe. (At one school in Normandy, the cost for that is €17 ($18.62) a month.)
Meanwhile in the US, families struggle to choose between unaffordable nannies, suboptimal daycares, and the charitable child-minding of close relatives and friends. Women who work long hours are left to choose between squeezing in a home-cooked meal or going to the gym. Parents trade off time with their kids for high-pressure jobs that offer employee-based healthcare, higher earnings to save for college, and little to no vacation time."
 

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french child care vs US child care. child care is very expensive where i live as well, theres only 1 province where its socialized and very affordable. not sure how easy it is to get childcare there though. instead of spending all its money on military empire like USA, france spends some of it on empire and some of it on things which are actually useful ;):

"
But the reality is, simply revamping our kids’ diets and our sense of joie de vivre wouldn’t make up for all the institutional support French women enjoy. So before latching onto the next do-it-like-the-French checklist, we should acknowledge the following:

  • French women get paid to have babies. Unlike in the US, new mothers don’t have to take unpaid disability leave to have their kids. They get 16 full weeks of paid leave for the first and second child, and 26 for the third. They also get a government allowance for having kids based on their income, including supplements if they want to go part-time or hire a nanny.
  • French women get affordable and available childcare. Women can take their babies to a crèche, or high-quality day care center, from about six weeks of age (granted, there are often waiting lists), which helps mothers to go back to work. Families pay on a sliding scale based on income and the centers are highly regulated with national standards. And, perhaps most importantly, the staff are well-paid and have very low turnover, unlike in the US, where child care is treated like the wild wild west.
  • French women have access to full-time baby chefs. The food in the crèche and school systems is notoriously excellent, which takes the pressure off parents to get it all just right at home. Rather than indulge in rubbery chicken nuggets, kids eat three course meals. They are even introduced to foods in a scientifically proven way to make them less picky. A typical Tuesday? Fresh bread, cucumber salad with cream fraiche, veal sautéed in olives and broccoli, goat cheese, gâteau de semoule fait maison au caramel.
  • French women send their kids to school at age 3. When the crèche ends, school begins, and it doesn’t have to end at 3pm! Kids in France can start school by age 3. There are three years of preschool and a year of kindergarten, all of which are free. When kids start real school, they can go early to a garderie and stay late, from 4:30pm usually until 6:30pm, according to Pamela Druckerman, author of Bringing Up Bebe. (At one school in Normandy, the cost for that is €17 ($18.62) a month.)
Meanwhile in the US, families struggle to choose between unaffordable nannies, suboptimal daycares, and the charitable child-minding of close relatives and friends. Women who work long hours are left to choose between squeezing in a home-cooked meal or going to the gym. Parents trade off time with their kids for high-pressure jobs that offer employee-based healthcare, higher earnings to save for college, and little to no vacation time."
I'm curious... in your mind as well as in the minds of your gods, is there anything that the United States does well or correct?? I don't believe I've ever seen you say so. If you have, I must have missed it.
 

rickyb

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Lol. Funny. And yet, people risk their lives every day to come here. Can't be all bad.
haha actually thats the answer YOU get because youve been awful on here since day 1. how do you treat people in real life? i am nice or civil to everyone including people who are annoying.

I think your FOIA is quite good. not sure what other policies are good. you guys invented may day.

in the case of america and people fleeing there, its like comparing donald trump to hillary clinton: one is bad and one is even worse.
 

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haha actually thats the answer YOU get because youve been awful on here since day 1. how do you treat people in real life? i am nice or civil to everyone including people who are annoying.

I think your FOIA is quite good. not sure what other policies are good. you guys invented may day.

in the case of america and people fleeing there, its like comparing donald trump to hillary clinton: one is bad and one is even worse.
I must admit, I don't do well with annoying people. Or stupid people. Patience is not one of my finer virtues except with old people, children and the mentally challenged.

FYI, we didn't invent May Day. That was created during the Roman Republic era.

I wasn't talking about people fleeing here. I was talking about people COMING here. For instance, the people who died in the back of a tractor trailer over the weekend in Texas.
 
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