I drink your milkshake! a metaphor for capitalism

[rickyb]

NAFTA definitely benefited Mexico and Canada more but the really big driver of our demise was the China trade. People like to scoff at all the useless junk coming out of China but just about everything we buy is made there now. Beyond a small percentage made in other countries.

says wages fell here too. mexican wage gap is the same in 2014 relative to US wages as they were 20 years ago.

 

[rickyb]

You don't seem to understand politics. People believed back then that NAFTA would work out better for everyone. If Clinton had vetoed the bill the veto would have likely been overridden. If it had it would have weakened Clinton and hurt his chances for reelection. And for getting his liberal agenda passed. As was his liberal agenda caused him to lose Congress in the midterms and thus his shift to the right to get reelected.

US public opinion on the North American Free Trade Agreement - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

seems like mixed support. im sure there was plenty of propaganda telling people to support it.

 

[rickyb]

The politicians lied about NAFTA in their zeal to get it passed.

dont forget the media

 

[newfie]

 

[rickyb]

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[vantexan]

says wages fell here too. mexican wage gap is the same in 2014 relative to US wages as they were 20 years ago.

Except they have a lot more jobs. In 2000 the Mexican poverty rate was over 51%. Today it's about 36%.

 

[newfie]

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al was not a capitalist and probably did not understand the term

 

[rickyb]

al was not a capitalist and probably did not understand the term

americans have poor economic understanding if your low union membership rate is any indication

looks like al capone did the same things as modern corporations like bribing officials and tax evasion

a worker under capitalism is so bad it incentivizes people into doing crime.

 

[newfie]

americans have poor economic understanding if your low union membership rate is any indication

looks like al capone did the same things as modern corporations like bribing officials and tax evasion

a worker under capitalism is so bad it incentivizes people into doing crime.

no corporation holds a gun to your head as you make a purchase. you cant stretch this one into an argument and it is silly for you to even try.

 

[rickyb]

no corporation holds a gun to your head as you make a purchase. you cant stretch this one into an argument and it is silly for you to even try.

they kill workers who protest

america has most violent labor struggles.

 

[Box Ox]

no corporation holds a gun to your head as you make a purchase. you cant stretch this one into an argument and it is silly for you to even try.

they kill workers who protest

Have an example?

 

[rickyb]

Have an example?

Haymarket affair - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Box Ox]

they kill workers who protest

Have an example?

Haymarket affair - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Your example is from 139 years ago and the police started firing because someone (likely one of the demonstrators) threw a bomb at them?

 

[rickyb]

Your example is from 139 years ago and the police started firing because someone (likely one of the demonstrators) threw a bomb at them?

i doubt it

Union violence in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Box Ox]

Your example is from 139 years ago and the police started firing because someone (likely one of the demonstrators) threw a bomb at them?

i doubt it

Of course you doubt it. Your ideology can't continue without doubting things that are true.

 

[rickyb]

Of course you doubt it. Your ideology can't continue without doubting things that are true.

chomsky says we should question things

like how capitalism can be efficient and yet on the other hand we have most violent labor history full of conflict.

 

[vantexan]

chomsky says we should question things

like how capitalism can be efficient and yet on the other hand we have most violent labor history full of conflict.

Chomsky is an academic who doesn't work in the real world.

 

[rickyb]

Chomsky is an academic who doesn't work in the real world.

writer

actually on book tv the guy interviewing him said i had never interviewed someone with so many books

you would hope a teacher actually knows something

 

[vantexan]

writer

actually on book tv the guy interviewing him said i had never interviewed someone with so many books

you would hope a teacher actually knows something

He's an academic.

 

[rickyb]

He's an academic.

professor too

since youre so smart, you can do it.