Law Enforcement Using Social Network Media

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by UpstateNYUPSer, Nov 25, 2010.


Is it OK for LE to monitor social media network websites?

Poll closed Nov 27, 2010.
  1. Yes--anything that will help reduce crime is fair game

  2. No--this is an invasion of our privacy

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  3. Don't know/don't care

    0 vote(s)
  4. I don't facebook

Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    A growing number of law enforcement agencies are monitoring social network websites in an effort to apprehend suspects who have been able to elude them thus far. Many have their own facebook and myspace pages. My question is simple---is this an appropriate use of resources or is this going too far?

    I think that this is an appopriate use of resources. To me it is simply another tool for them to use and as our society evolves our authorities need to evolve with it.
  2. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    How stupid those criminals are !!!
  3. over9five

    over9five Moderator Staff Member

    I think it's ok if a leo is looking at a criminals FB, but if he then starts to surf porn for a while on the taxpayers dime, then he's the criminal.
  4. over9five

    over9five Moderator Staff Member

    I can't answer the poll YES, however since I don't believe "anything that helps reduce crime is fair game". That goes right to "Submit to Authority".
  5. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    I can agree with what Over said but at the same time, right or wrong, social networks are considered public. Now when I say public I also speak of places like BC for example. Anyone and I mean anyone can look at anything posted here at this website. There is no expectation of privacy and in the case of law enforcement or in the case of the employer too, anyone can see what is said just as if someone were talking loud in a crowded elevator.

    Facebook however "may" be a different animal on one ground. If on Facebook you don't want other than approved friends to see what you said, then are you speaking loud in the crowded elevator? There is some, albeit limited, expectation to privacy so does this grant law enforcement authority to breech this firewall and look at what you posted regardless of probable cause? Notice I didn't say they never could but that probable cause must exist!

    Ok now go the next step and should law enforcement be able to breech your home computer firewall and look on your hard drive? Obtain your passwords and breech the firewalls of your bank account or investment accounts? What about your account? All in the name of the public good!

    Police and even public officials are by no means immune from human temptation and the fact of the matter is, history is loaded and loaded with horror stories of human authority and power gone very badly arye. The same fallible people who make up the public, from which bad people come from is also the same source from which police and public officials are choosen so there you go. That being the case, how far do we extend them carte blanche in their duties and the more important question, should checks and balances be in place? Why have a checks and balance on the President or why on Congress?

    Should a measure of benefit of doubt or innocent until "proven guilty" by fact (not media story or gut feeling) be the standard? Do we in effect, kill all the innocent bystanders on the street but claim victory because we got the bad guy too? The bad guy got justice, true enough but where is the justice for the innocent who just got caught up in the crossfire? Does justice and moral right have a limit when it comes to the greater public good?

    Life will never, ever be without risk and until we realize this, those who claim they can eliminate all risk and make us all safe will be able to manipulate and twist us to their advantage and enrich themselves in power or wealth or both as a result. I'll always error on the side of risk because I know a life without any risk is a lie!
  6. Baba gounj

    Baba gounj pensioner
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    here I made it easy for any LEO to search for possible criminals.
  7. Baba gounj

    Baba gounj pensioner

    (The Hill) — The investigative arm of the Homeland Security Department appears to be shutting down websites that facilitate copyright infringement.
    Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has seized dozens of domain names over the past few days, according to TorrentFreak.
    ICE appears to be targeting sites that help Internet users download copyrighted music, as well as sites that sell bootleg goods, such as fake designer handbags.
    The sites are replaced with a note from the government: “This domain named has been seized by ICE, Homeland Security Investigations.”
  8. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    Now that's interesting. Why would ICE be out doing copyright enforcement? Where did they get jurisdictional authority outside of customs and immigration?

    Besides, I'm with attorney Stephan Kinsella when it comes to Copyright and IP "STATE" privilege!

  9. Baba gounj

    Baba gounj pensioner

  10. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    "...Now that's interesting. Why would ICE be out doing copyright enforcement?..."

    Because they are afraid to go to the borders!!
  11. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member


    18 USC Section 981 and 2323 pertain to the right of gov't to execute civil forefeiture of private property. Title 18 is the US Criminal Code which governs arrest and forefeiture procedures, arrest process, prisons and witness protection, it does not establish original jurisdiction which is always found in the assigned governing US Code Title, typically Code of Federal Regulations that are the actual postings to the Federal Register in compliance with Title 5 and the Adminstrative Procedures Act. Typically from a CFR regulatory citing and it's authority from Congress contained within in Federal Register filing, an internal agency "Delegation of Authority" is issued first by the Sec. of the Dept. and then follows a chain of Delegation down through Commissioners, upper agency heads, dept. managers and then down to field level agents if it goes that far.

    What I was looking for was the actual authority of jurisdiction for ICE to even be involved in a Copyright case to begin with. Copyright law is controlled and administered by the Library of Congress in Title 17 Chapter 5 but ICE authority has traditionally been found in Title 19, however in March 2003' was absorbed in DHS which it's authority is found in Title 14. ICE was under the Sec. of Treasury (at least in Customs enforcement at it relates to taxes) but when DHS was made a Sec. level position, I'll assume those jurisdictional authorities transferred as well.

    Immigration and Customs has to do with something flowing in and flowing out of the country (persons and property) and how a domestic website within the US is seized, I just find this interesting. Is there legal basis of authority or are they attempting some new novel legal approach to expand federal jurisdicition. Some of you guys let your emotions get ahead of you and then you want to let these guys have carte blanche because it seems to work well with a certain bias you might hold. The precedence you allow them to set may come back to haunt you on fine day!
  12. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    Speaking of chicken little!


    Oh UpState, so you can enjoy the laugh too, I'm responding to Grandma Legacy!
  13. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    Speaking of chickens, if upstate wants to see my posts he can un-ignore me. You shouldn't be exposing him to good conversation....let him expose himself!! :)
  14. over9five

    over9five Moderator Staff Member

    No!!!! We don't need Upstate doing that!!!!
  15. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    What? Showing us his grape popsicle?

    I think More had it in her hand but dropped it!
  16. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

  17. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    I thought you were gonna say you had a visual problem and just couldn't see it!

    BTW More: Do you know why women have always done so poorly in math?

    Because men for eons have told them that the distance shown below is 12 inches!

    From here (------------------------------- ) to here!
  18. stevetheupsguy

    stevetheupsguy sʇǝʌǝʇɥǝndsƃnʎ

    Yet you would quit UPS if you got a DUI?

    I think anything public, is fair game. If it's private, get the right documents so that you can take a look. If you live in fear of being found out, what's the point?
  19. Baba gounj

    Baba gounj pensioner

    A spokeswoman for ICE confirmed the seizures in the following statement. “ICE office of Homeland Security Investigations executed court-ordered seizure warrants against a number of domain names. As this is an ongoing investigation, there are no additional details available at this time.”

    “My domain has been seized without any previous complaint or notice from any court!” the exasperated owner of Torrent-Finder told TorrentFreak this morning.
    “I firstly had DNS downtime. While I was contacting GoDaddy I noticed the DNS had changed. Godaddy had no idea what was going on and until now they do not understand the situation and they say it was totally from ICANN,” he explained.
    Aside from the fact that domains are being seized seemingly at will, there is a very serious problem with the action against Torrent-Finder. Not only does the site not host or even link to any :censored2: whatsoever, it actually only returns searches through embedded iframes which display other sites that are not under the control of the Torrent-Finder owner.
    Torrent-Finder remains operational through another URL,, so feel free to check it out for yourself. The layouts of the sites it searches are clearly visible in the results shown.
  20. fxdwg

    fxdwg Member

    Uh...over kill??