Listen UP 396, we're screwed!

[BrownShark]

396 was screwed when H was re-elected.

Unfortunately, Mr. H became a politician and NOT a representative of the people who elected him.

He and Jay Phillips spend more time carousing around with other locals smoking the big cigars than they do actually doing UPS-Teamster business in the yards.

Elections are next year.. WE will send a strong message to these fellows in Office (396) when we send them packing!

Peace.

 

[BrownShark]

He doesn't know how to deal with people that disagree with him. His way is the only way and rather than try to have a civil discussion and understand another view point he reverts to 5th grade schoolyard bullying. It's as transparent as it is amusing.

Damuck,

Of all the posts you have made in every thread, you have not sustained one point, made one legit argument or even came close to making a point in any of them.

If you read any of my posts, I have written a clear argument for debate and some have actually made counter points that were sustained and successfully argued.

This is the purpose of debate.

What you write appears to resemble that of the school nurse trying to make the kids feel better.

I got a box of bandaids for you to buy,

Peace.

 

[doolittle95]

You anger and insults are so endearing, keep up the good work

I think he wrote "knucklheads" and "sonny boys", hardly insulting these days. I was really hoping for a "bucko" near the end for a strong finish.

 

[cheryl]

Rocky,

As far as im concern, there is no room in the "Brotherhood" for your type.

In fact, its too bad you no longer work for ups, cause id make a call to your BA and find out more about you, then come meet you myself.

Then, after you got out of intensive care, I would come back and check your pulse and bring you a fresh pair of underwear.

Peace.

This is a threat of physical violence, it's not funny, cute or clever and it's not allowed here...

 

[BrownShark]

This is a threat of physical violence, it's not funny, cute or clever and it's not allowed here...

Cheryl,

Moderation can take several forms. One of which is limiting off topic responses to legitimate posts. Once a thread is "hijacked" a moderator must "eliminate" the hijakers post and keep the flow of conversation on the original subject.

Once a thread has been "hijacked", responses from the original poster to try and tame the "hijackers" seems to be required as the moderators of this board dont seem to control those who post on every thread on every topic and instigate trouble.

For instance, Damok, Rocky Rogue and similiar posters post on every thread and in each, they attack and comment endlessly with rediculous yarns and pointless attempts at criticism.

The moderators of this board allow them to "hijack" many threads and derail the topics causing others to start similiar threads just to get back on topic. This redundancy becomes pointless itself as the same posters get back in and "hijack" again.

This thread was intended for honest debate on an addendum that was removed from our southwest package rider (local 396) neither of which the "hijacking" posters belong to.

In the future, to avoid threads that are comical to some and insulting to others, please do us a favor and delete those posts that are off topic and demonstrate that effective moderation can be equally applied.

Peace.

 

[doolittle95]

Damuck,

Of all the posts you have made in every thread, you have not sustained one point, made one legit argument or even came close to making a point in any of them.

If you read any of my posts, I have written a clear argument for debate and some have actually made counter points that were sustained and successfully argued.

This is the purpose of debate.

What you write appears to resemble that of the school nurse trying to make the kids feel better.

I got a box of bandaids for you to buy,

Peace.

Shark, i'm guessing Damok is here mostly for entertainment, always even keeled, no apparant worries etc. You, on the other hand, appear to have something at stake in every thread and thus u generally make strong intelligent points. Keep it up. Igotta admit though, you're cracking me up in this thread. what was it about again?

Oh yeah, loc 396 is screwed now now thx to local rider changes!

Like the NMA proposal wasn't screwing them enough in the first place! U guys r killing me.

 

[satellitedriver]

Rocky,

As far as im concern, there is no room in the "Brotherhood" for your type.

In fact, its too bad you no longer work for ups, cause id make a call to your BA and find out more about you, then come meet you myself.

Then, after you got out of intensive care, I would come back and check your pulse and bring you a fresh pair of underwear.

Peace.

Whoa,
Mr B.S.
(Nice play of words on your avatar.if I say so myself.)
You have proven your validity as a rational person (not), by this post of yours.
How can you expect anyone to take your opinions seriously?
Threats, name calling and whatever else you have to say will fall on deaf ears.
Very weak way to try and make your point.
POX

 

[BrownShark]

Whoa,
Mr B.S.
(Nice play of words on your avatar.if I say so myself.)
You have proven your validity as a rational person (not), by this post of yours.
How can you expect anyone to take your opinions seriously?
Threats, name calling and whatever else you have to say will fall on deaf ears.
Very weak way to try and make your point.
POX

Deaf ears?

I think you contradicted your own point? Didnt you just invalidate your own point by acknowledging mine?

Peace.

 

[satellitedriver]

Deaf ears?

I think you contradicted your own point? Didnt you just invalidate your own point by acknowledging mine?

Peace.

Get out you dictionary, Mr. B.S.
My acknowledging that you made a threating post is in no way a contradiction.
What validates my post is that I wrote;

"Threats, name calling and whatever else you have to say will fall on deaf ears."

My use of the word "will" is future tense in the sentence. (meaning what you post from this point forward)

So, there is no contradiction, nor invalidation in my post.

The term "deaf ears" is archaic and means that one hears, but does not listen.
So, without a great deal of logic, you can assume that in the future your posts will be taken with "a grain of salt".
Another archaic expression.
POX

 

[RockyRogue]

Cheryl,

Moderation can take several forms. One of which is limiting off topic responses to legitimate posts. Once a thread is "hijacked" a moderator must "eliminate" the hijakers post and keep the flow of conversation on the original subject.

Interesting post. In the interest of 'peace' and allowing Cheryl to deal with other more pressing matters, I'm done discussing this contract, fascinating as this discussion is. Unless my opinion is solicited, I'm done with this subject. This should make your day, Shark! Satellite and everyone else, thanks for the support! -Rocky

 

[BrownShark]

Get out you dictionary, Mr. B.S.
My acknowledging that you made a threating post is in no way a contradiction.
What validates my post is that I wrote;

"Threats, name calling and whatever else you have to say will fall on deaf ears."

My use of the word "will" is future tense in the sentence. (meaning what you post from this point forward)

So, there is no contradiction, nor invalidation in my post.

The term "deaf ears" is archaic and means that one hears, but does not listen.
So, without a great deal of logic, you can assume that in the future your posts will be taken with "a grain of salt".
Another archaic expression.
POX

Sattellite,

YAWN.

Peace.

 

[cheryl]

Cheryl,

Moderation can take several forms. One of which is limiting off topic responses to legitimate posts. Once a thread is "hijacked" a moderator must "eliminate" the hijakers post and keep the flow of conversation on the original subject.

Once a thread has been "hijacked", responses from the original poster to try and tame the "hijackers" seems to be required as the moderators of this board dont seem to control those who post on every thread on every topic and instigate trouble.

For instance, Damok, Rocky Rogue and similiar posters post on every thread and in each, they attack and comment endlessly with rediculous yarns and pointless attempts at criticism.

The moderators of this board allow them to "hijack" many threads and derail the topics causing others to start similiar threads just to get back on topic. This redundancy becomes pointless itself as the same posters get back in and "hijack" again.

This thread was intended for honest debate on an addendum that was removed from our southwest package rider (local 396) neither of which the "hijacking" posters belong to.

In the future, to avoid threads that are comical to some and insulting to others, please do us a favor and delete those posts that are off topic and demonstrate that effective moderation can be equally applied.

Peace.

BrownShark, Thank you for taking the time to share with our community your opinion about how a forum "must" be moderated.

Your moderation requirements are based upon the assumption that all topics must be tightly controlled and that our members require strict moderator supervision. You also recommend that we censor or delete the post of any member that expands upon or strays from your tightly controlled definition of a topic.

That doesn't work for me for so many obvious reasons that I'm not even going to attempt to list them here...

Our community is built upon mutual respect for others, no matter their circumstance or job description. We do not require the strict topic control, supervision of members and posting censorship that you have declared to be mandatory moderation practices.

As I told you in the private message that I sent you earlier this morning: If you want to continue to participate here you are required to comply with our established community standards of behavior, treat our community with respect and stop behaving like a cyber bully.

 

[tieguy]

BrownShark, Thank you for taking the time to share with our community your opinion about how a forum "must" be moderated.

Your moderation requirements are based upon the assumption that all topics must be tightly controlled and that our members require strict moderator supervision. You also recommend that we censor or delete the post of any member that expands upon or strays from your tightly controlled definition of a topic.

That doesn't work for me for so many obvious reasons that I'm not even going to attempt to list them here...

Our community is built upon mutual respect for others, no matter their circumstance or job description. We do not require the strict topic control, supervision of members and posting censorship that you have declared to be mandatory moderation practices.

As I told you in the private message that I sent you earlier this morning: If you want to continue to participate here you are required to comply with our established community standards of behavior, treat our community with respect and stop behaving like a cyber bully.

BS you must be crushing a lot of toes on the dance floor. Don't think I've ever seen such a strongly worded response from our beloved site leader.

 

[BrownShark]

BS you must be crushing a lot of toes on the dance floor. Don't think I've ever seen such a strongly worded response from our beloved site leader.

LMAO.

 

[TheVoice]

BS you must be crushing a lot of toes on the dance floor. Don't think I've ever seen such a strongly worded response from our beloved site leader.

Dude, like he needs you chiming in. Your like a 3rd grade bully with a magnifying glass, hovering over an anthill. Could you be anymore of a kiss-ass?

And you can negative my reps into oblivion for all I care. As far as I am concerned, a negative rep from you lets me know I am on the right track.

Not-so-Respectfully,

The Voice (…in the back of your head telling you that I am right)

 

[Damok]

Damuck,

Of all the posts you have made in every thread, you have not sustained one point, made one legit argument or even came close to making a point in any of them.

If you read any of my posts, I have written a clear argument for debate and some have actually made counter points that were sustained and successfully argued.

This is the purpose of debate.

What you write appears to resemble that of the school nurse trying to make the kids feel better.

I got a box of bandaids for you to buy,

Peace.

When did threats and name calling become clear arguments for debate? My interactions with you have been to comment on your poor attitudes when someone doesn't agree with you. As for the rest of my posts, while I certainly appreciate you taking the time to go back and read all of them, I would suggest you go back and read them again if you believe I have never made a point.

 

[tieguy]

Dude, like he needs you chiming in. Your like a 3rd grade bully with a magnifying glass, hovering over an anthill. Could you be anymore of a kiss-ass?

Interesting analogy - a third grader with a magnifying glass hovering over an ant hill is a Kiss Ass?
Is there supposed to be a relationship between the two? Do you have a brain? Is it active?

Since this one slipped through a moderators approval process I'm guessing profanity will be allowed. Dude your posts sound like you have a sunday newpaper stuck up your ass.

And you can negative my reps into oblivion for all I care. As far as I am concerned, a negative rep from you lets me know I am on the right track

Not-so-Respectfully,

Not so respectfully? was that supposed to hurt my feelings? Lol you are an idiot. ( my apologies to any other idiots I may have offended by calling this guy an idiot)

 

[steamroll]

Brothers and Sisters of local 396, you better listen up and read the Southwest package rider. There is a key component given up by our current Officers that affects us all. This language was agreed too over 5 contracts ago, long before these Officers took office.

In our current contract, on page 85, we have had the benefit of EXCLUSIVE language to local 396. This language provided protections covering "Settlement of controversies". It was an addendum to the Rider that gave us superior protections that superceded the WEST and the National agreement. These protections have protected thousands of employees for many years from an agressive company bent on disciplining or discharging employees.

The addendum read as follows:

Addendum #2

Applicable to Teamster Local Union 396

Memorandums of agreement between Teamsters Local Union No 396
and United Parcel Service

SETTLEMENT OF CONTROVERSIES
(Section 3- Settlement of Controversies)

Both parties further recognize and agree that industrial peace is to be desired at all times in the area covered by this Rider, and to that end it is agreed. Should a controversy, dispute or disagreement arise during the period of this Rider, there shall be no cessation or stoppage of work authorized by the Union, and the Union will do its utmost to see that work is continued in a normal and orderly way and said controversy, dispute or disagreement shall be adjusted in the following manner.

The grievance shall be discussed with the employers immediate supervisor and/or manager within five (5) days of the known occurence giving rise to the grievance.

If the grievance is not resolved at this meeting the grievant must submit a signed grievance through the Local Union to the Employer within fifteen (15) working days from the date of the occurence.

Verbal Warnings, warning notices and suspensions shall become inoperative after a nine (9) month period of time. After this time period, the employee shall not be discharged without following the steps of progressive disciplinary action.

Each of the parties shall make an earnest attempt to settle all differences, but in the event they fail, an Arbitrator shall be mutually selected for Arbitrations and his decision shall be final, binding and conclusive on both parties.

It is the intention of both the Local Union and the Employer that the grievant recieve a hearing as soon as possible but not longer than the 30 days from the time of the filing of the written grievance unless otherwise mutually agreed to.

The Arbitrator shall render a short formed decision within three (3) working days of such hearing.

**end**

In this addendum, it was the intention of the local and the company to settle all differences in a timely manner. Over the years, this meant arbitrations for sups working or discharges and mainly to bypass the pointless panel system.

In the panel system, a case can crawl through and take up to 1 year to finalize, and even then, the case could deadlock and no decision be made final. This system is a failure and will always continue to be a failure.

This addendum, provided an alternative solution to handling cases. An outside person to weigh the evidence and make a ruling within 35 days of the filing of the grievance from start to finish. Either way, the employee had the decision and went forward with his life.

In addition, ALL warning letters, suspensions, discharges or any other type of discipline in an employees file would become INACTIVE after 9 months and could NOT be used against any employee in future disciplinary actions.

NOW ITS GONE FROM THE RIDER!!!!!

A major concession to the company thats screws us all in 396.

Now, we are placed into the WEST language for discipline and discharges.

Anyone with ANY experience in the panels knows that the un-official term for panels is called the "DEADLOCK committee".

Panels waste a week of time for the Union and Company. Cases are rarely heard first time out and postponed.. Problem is, it takes 120 days to get to a panel hearing, then postponed and another 120 days. Then , if the case is lucky enough to be heard, a deadlock vote will commence and the case will be sent forward to WRT for review. If they cant render a decision, it will then be subject to arbitration.. This process will take 1 year.

Good luck 396er's.

Better learn to stay out of trouble!!!

Peace.

hey shark how long does our discipline warning letters stay on records? if we don't have any proctective language in our contract?

 

[steamroll]

Unfortunately, Mr. H became a politician and NOT a representative of the people who elected him.

He and Jay Phillips spend more time carousing around with other locals smoking the big cigars than they do actually doing UPS-Teamster business in the yards.

Elections are next year.. WE will send a strong message to these fellows in Office (396) when we send them packing!

Peace.

well brownshark
I guess Ron trying to get into the I.B.T. in the near future with Hoffa and Jay is in training for his law firm in the near future.
I know i'll have to do my part and why are they sucking up to these other locals. since the January 2006. I can count the times on my hand that Ron and Jay have shown up at my yard(Cerritos). Well whoever runs will have my support Peace