I recently threw my hat into the management ring though I haven't accepted it yet (nor decided whether I will or not) and already people are turning. Even here someone mentioned ego because I think I'm qualified for it. Its not so much ego as it is that I'm more qualified than someone they hire off the street to train people on a job that they themselves have never done. People who just give up and say thats just the way it is are whats wrong with this place (management and hourly). I understand I'll be nothing if I decide to join the management ranks, but thats basically what I am now as a preloader. Some management respect what I have to say, some don't, I really don't care, at least they heard it. If this place is to continue on as a RESPECTED market leader (and I don't mean that I am the person to do it...I'm not that vain), something needs to change. We can't keep employees and reliable ones are being cast out due to misloads/etc. due to a flawed system that was forced upon us and I think its ridiculous. Maybe if enough hourlies actually stepped up and said something (individually, in a group, I don't know), things would change. I go to our focus meetings, (attended by HR and our manager) and I tell them EXACTLY what is wrong where I am, and you know what? slowly but surely things have improved. Not all management employees are @$$es, I can see from the many people on here that many are, but at my hub they are good people who are doing what they are told from above. However, they are tired of the shift sucking so much (I mean retention and attitude etc, not production...though according to the goals set that isn't so hot either) as a result and want our help to improve it, genuinely. Because every time an area has new people the operation suffers (ESPECIALLY THE FRICKIN SPA PEOPLE). If we can get them to stay, things will improve. I'd argue the wage has a lot to do with it (sticker slappers are only paid 8.50) but theres nothing anyone but UPS and the teamsters can do about that. The squeezing workers till they blow up on you (and then get slapped with a warning letter) needs to stop. The job is the same as it was last year, yet last year 170PPH was acceptable, now they want 210PPH (I know there is no set rate, but that doesn't stop them from trying). Setting goals gives a person direction, setting ridiculous goals is setting someone up to fail. If people keep hearing they suck (sorry, are "least best") or never meet the goal thats been set they aren't gonna stick around because they just get to feeling who needs this? Especially for 8.50/9.50 an hour. Just because someone at IE says under PAS that should be attainable for everyone...how they know this I don't know. In my practice PAS has made me slower because I have to doublecheck labels now. Furthermore what the hell is IE doing dictating how this place works anyway? None of them have ever worked in operations for the most part aside from their simulations...those mean precisely jack to you and I. I know I know it'll never happen. however if we're going to provide the service everyone is looking for, something needs to, and fast. People who worked here long before I did said while its always been us vs them to a degree, it was never as bad as it is now. On the preload end, PAS is not perfect, and anyone who swears it is and will do nothing to fix it, should be fired on the spot. I doubt PAS has saved us ANY money as with all the misloads and drivers on the clock longer (preloaders too despite their best efforts) because they're running a misload. In practice if you give someone 800 packages and give them 4/4.5 hours to do it they'll wrap it and that averages out to about 180 (178 actually)- 200 which is what PAS originally called for and then some...now its 210? come on. enough is enough already. I had a 800 piece for a bit and guess what? NO MISLOADS, got moved up to a 900-1100 piece pull in the same 4/4.5 hrs, 1 (or more) a day or every other day....hmmmmm how can they NOT see the correlation. Under the the old system I could load 240pph effortlessly for the most part, but now with the sticker peeling and checking etc, no way. not going to happen. I know I'm not saying anything that hasn't been said before. Its just something I noticed at work and something I had to get out. Tell me I'm wrong, tell me I'm right, agree or disagree, but say something I can't be alone on this.