Since the posts got moved I'll start another thread. The debate between upstate and steve is actually a classic conversation that represents the union mentallity versus the mentallity of those who just want to come in and do their job and go home. Steve feels that upstate should ask the boss if he has followed the letter of the contract before helping the boss. Boss the boss mindset. upstate basically has more of a help the company mindset and feels he should work as instructed without setting up any preconditions or obstacles. Its a classic conversation that often takes place as the more radical union mentallity conflicts with those who do not want to manage the boss.