OOPS, WINDMILLS FREEZE, NO POWER, MAJOR ENERGY PRODUCTION FAIL!

[rickyb]

I point out Trump's lies. You ignore them.

am i vantexan?

 

[Supersoaker]

am i vantexan?

Sorry, my mistake. It isn't like I lied about a non existent health care plan a couple hundred times.

 

[rickyb]

Sorry, my mistake. It isn't like I lied about a non existent health care plan a couple hundred times.

trumps a grease ball. biden is a grease ball and said "nothing will fundamentally change" although less than trump.

 

[vantexan]

Trump said China paid for them. He lied. More Americans were hurt than China was.

China saw their income from American sales drop off. It hurt them. You seem to forget that they eventually came to the negotiating table. The fact is, and I know you support facts, that the trade imbalance hurt the U.S. much more than the tariffs did. Short term pain for long term gain.

 

[rickyb]

China saw their income from American sales drop off. It hurt them. You seem to forget that they eventually came to the negotiating table. The fact is, and I know you support facts, that the trade imbalance hurt the U.S. much more than the tariffs did. Short term pain for long term gain.

u know china real wages still going up right?

 

[oldngray]

u know china real wages still going up right?

Are they up to a dollar a day yet?

 

[rickyb]

Are they up to a dollar a day yet?

i think they have a higher standard of living than portugal?

 

[Supersoaker]

China saw their income from American sales drop off. It hurt them. You seem to forget that they eventually came to the negotiating table. The fact is, and I know you support facts, that the trade imbalance hurt the U.S. much more than the tariffs did. Short term pain for long term gain.

Yeah, except basic international economics says different. We don't live in a two nation world. Demand decreases from America (and there was a slight one, some attributable to the tariffs) were easily replaced by simply selling to other countries, especially Europe. Meanwhile, our supply of Chinese goods, which was not so easily replaced cost American consumers much much more; the exact cost of the tariffs, which are paid for by Americans despite Trump's repeated lies that they were not.

You are making the argument that Chinese producers paid some cost and that made it worthwhile. But you are ignoring the fundamental truth that the President said China is paying for the tariffs - which is just a lie.

So you want to change the issue to who it hurt more... OK, you guys really like to do this when you get pinned to a wall. Go ahead, support your claim. But you lost the first point.

I think you could use some lurning on international trade. Start with Ricardo. Its quite short. We'll move on from there.

 

[vantexan]

Yeah, except basic international economics says different. We don't live in a two nation world. Demand decreases from America (and there was a slight one, some attributable to the tariffs) were easily replaced by simply selling to other countries, especially Europe. Meanwhile, our supply of Chinese goods, which was not so easily replaced cost American consumers much much more; the exact cost of the tariffs, which are paid for by Americans despite Trump's repeated lies that they were not.

You are making the argument that Chinese producers paid some cost and that made it worthwhile. But you are ignoring the fundamental truth that the President said China is paying for the tariffs - which is just a lie.

So you want to change the issue to who it hurt more... OK, you guys really like to do this when you get pinned to a wall. Go ahead, support your claim. But you lost the first point.

I think you could use some lurning on international trade. Start with Ricardo. Its quite short. We'll move on from there.

You think the Europeans rushed in to buy more? Why weren't they already? As for paying the tariffs plenty of commentators were saying Americans were paying the tariffs. China had also put big tariffs on American agricultural products. That hurt our farmers but their buyers were greatly hurt too as they had to find other sources. They desperately needed pork and the U.S. had a huge supply at cheap prices. But their pork tariffs were super high.

 

[rickyb]

Ralph Nader

@RalphNader
·
Feb 17

Texas plutocrats and Republican politicians brag about Texas being a low tax state. The big storm showed an inadequate power grid, low public investment and deregulation. Result? Millions without power and a defenseless state against climate violence. -R

 

[rickyb]

Jim Hightower

@JimHightower
·
21h

Replying to
@JimHightower
There are two things at play here: One, this is small-minded, small-government Republicanism at work. Their intentional, ideological failure to invest in Texas infrastructure has been a ticking disaster for two decades, and now we Texans are suffering the explosive consequences.

 

[vantexan]

Jim Hightower
@JimHightower
·
21h

Replying to
@JimHightower
There are two things at play here: One, this is small-minded, small-government Republicanism at work. Their intentional, ideological failure to invest in Texas infrastructure has been a ticking disaster for two decades, and now we Texans are suffering the explosive consequences.

And he's been waiting 20 years to pounce!

 

[rickyb]

And he's been waiting 20 years to pounce!

what do you mean?

 

[Jones]

 

[Macbrother]

China saw their income from American sales drop off. It hurt them. You seem to forget that they eventually came to the negotiating table. The fact is, and I know you support facts, that the trade imbalance hurt the U.S. much more than the tariffs did. Short term pain for long term gain.

The problem is we didn't go far enough. You want to talk about short-term pain? Cut off all trade and pull all American businesses out until China cleans up their act. If the entire west did this, in united fashion, China would yield, and quickly.

 

[vantexan]

The problem is we didn't go far enough. You want to talk about short-term pain? Cut off all trade and pull all American businesses out until China cleans up their act. If the entire west did this, in united fashion, China would yield, and quickly.

We're too integrated at this point. Political suicide.

 

[Supersoaker]

You think the Europeans rushed in to buy more? Why weren't they already? As for paying the tariffs plenty of commentators were saying Americans were paying the tariffs. China had also put big tariffs on American agricultural products. That hurt our farmers but their buyers were greatly hurt too as they had to find other sources. They desperately needed pork and the U.S. had a huge supply at cheap prices. But their pork tariffs were super high.

Those commentators lied to you. It's pretty basic economics for anybody that bothered to check. Trumpers never do though.

I've seen plenty of people that say the Earth is flat. It isn't.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Who cares about grid failures if you can afford to jet off to a Ritz Carlton in a better climate and have a constituency dumb enough to believe you didn't?

u jelly

 

[Old Man Jingles]

I wish I could get Lone Star here. 7million craft brews yet no Lone Star

Shiner Bock was my favorite beer from Texas.

 

[Supersoaker]

u jelly

Sure thing, Kanye.