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MrFedEx

Engorged Member
I'll take this one. I am half black and half white. I'm about 5 years younger than the president. Growing up in was always referred to as black. It's just how it is.

They won't get it. It's like talking to your dog. Why didn't you identify your White half, they will say, fully ignorant that society has deemed you Black.

Thus, one identifies as Black. Expect blank stares and stupid remarks.
 

wkmac

Well-Known Member
Until you decoupled sharia from Islam history will keep repeating itself. One God/good, high morals/good. Jihad to establish total Muslim caliphate very bad. And yes this will be a struggle to defeat a well organized enemy.


That makes sense on some level but seems to me the place to start would be how did Islam appear to become so influenced and dominated by a fundamentalist and radical form that for the most part came to prominence mostly in the latter half of the 20th century? And not to ignore events in the early half of the 20th century either. Or even before that.

Who was the greatest beneficiary of both power and wealth as this vulgar form of Islam came to the fore front? For starters, I'd start with a study of Wahhabism and the Wahhabist tribes of the deep Saudi Arabian deserts. In fact, start with Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab who lived in the 18th century in the Najd region of central Arabia.

Again, seems to me, these would be worthy questions to consider before one can understand how one might "decouple Sharia from Islamic history" to slightly paraphrase your quote. It might also be good to study the history and even the text itself of not just the Quran but also what is Sharia? What is its history? Where in fact does its authority come from? From what does it derive its authority? Many throw around the name Quran when speaking of Sharia but few if any ever dare mention the text known as Hadith. I suspect most have no clue what the Hadith is much less that it even exists.

Some might be rather surprised and some might be even more surprised in that all Sharia law are not equal or even the same thing. Quote often, many of the historical Christian scholars different with one another on conclusions with some parts (not all) of Christian life, Christian doctrine and Christian customs, same is true of Judaism. So why being that Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all rooted in Abrahamic traditions, should Islam be any different?

To answer a question, one first needs to know the subject.
 

JL 0513

Well-Known Member
Why do people call President Obama black. He is a child from a mixed race parents. I have no problem with him being mixed race. I have a problem with his ideology.

I've wondered the same thing. Could care less. I never thought about his race except when the left constantly pointed it out
 

JL 0513

Well-Known Member
They won't get it. It's like talking to your dog. Why didn't you identify your White half, they will say, fully ignorant that society has deemed you Black.

Thus, one identifies as Black. Expect blank stares and stupid remarks.

I guess we on the right will just never get the grouping of every segment of society. How you guys divide us all into these categories. All you guys see is color, ethnicities, religions, etc. How about we just see human beings and their character?
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
I guess we on the right will just never get the grouping of every segment of society. How you guys divide us all into these categories. All you guys see is color, ethnicities, religions, etc. How about we just see human beings and their character?

You don't get much of anything. My wife, who is also mixed race identifies as Black because society deemed her as such, just like Obama.

For years, you tools complained that Obama never acknowledged he was half-White. I've just explained it to you, but you won't get it.
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
I guess we on the right will just never get the grouping of every segment of society. How you guys divide us all into these categories. All you guys see is color, ethnicities, religions, etc. How about we just see human beings and their character?
I call BS.
 

JL 0513

Well-Known Member
You don't get much of anything. My wife, who is also mixed race identifies as Black because society deemed her as such, just like Obama.

For years, you tools complained that Obama never acknowledged he was half-White. I've just explained it to you, but you won't get it.

You didn't read my post I guess. I just don't know why we still talk much about race anymore. I didn't talk about anything regarding race identity or about my understanding of it.
 

JL 0513

Well-Known Member
Pretty good chance that's not entirely true.

Why would I care that Obama was half black? All that mattered was his politics. When Bill Clinton was President, did you just sit there and think...white guy, white guy, white guy....
 

wkmac

Well-Known Member
I'll take this one. I am half black and half white. I'm about 5 years younger than the president. Growing up in was always referred to as black. It's just how it is.

Several years ago on a Sunday morning, I had to take my daughter to the airport for one of her gigs at the HardRock Resort in Cancun but coming back I was listening to a program on NPR and they were interviewing a scientist with the Human Genome Project and they discussed the concept of race at the genetic level. It was so fascinating that I drove around for an extra hour just to listen to the whole program.

In all the 1000's and 1000's of humans they had tested their DNA, none and I mean none were of any ideal pure racial stock. Most European or American of European ancestry tested for example were found with some level of African DNA and in Africa, many were found with some level of European DNA. The scientist being interviewed, he was from England, traced his own genealogy back near a 1000 years to all European ancestry and yet 12% of his DNA was African. Now obviously the levels of DNA would differ depending on family ancestry but the fact is, we all share common DNA in our genome.

We judge race by skin type but in anthropology, race is judged by language. To the anthropologist, the people of Iran and India and the peoples of Europe are common kin to one another as a result of their language root sources and not as a matter of skin color. If one would follow the historical migratory travels of the Europeans before they populated Europe, one can trace these peoples back through the Caucasus mountains, hence the term Caucasians, and from there back into the region we know today as Iran and to the east of what many call the fertile crescent that was ancient Sumer and the region where known organized civilization began. Look up the terms Indo European and Proto Indo European.

Going back further still, these Indo peoples can trace their linage back to the first migrants out of Africa that traveled east and began to settle in the regions in the shadows of the Himalayan and Karakoram Mountain ranges. I speculate myself that between the mountains and possible ice as result of the most previous Ice Age presented a barrier that was not breeched until sometime later but that is my speculation and not so much a scientific conclusion, at least that I know of. This "Out of Africa" migration would seem on one level to explain the spread of common DNA across such a wide swarth of the planet. But this is all just a tip of the iceberg but to me, it is a fascinating subject.

I might call myself white because externally this is what I resemble the closest but inside, I'm likely a whole lot of mixture of everything and as to claim to be exclusively white, that seems to me would not be true. In fact, when someone ask me my race, I always answer Heinz 57 and after sharing a brief laugh with the questioner and an occasional replay of "me too", I'm forced to pick from one of the accepted boxes which I know is no longer valid. Friend of mine who shares a similar makeup as yourself refers to himself as Mocha which we all laugh but on some level we might all be mocha too.

IMO, Race built on external appearances is a false construct from old scientific assumptions now proven wrong, or at the least brought into serious question, by the Human Genome Project.

If we all had our own DNA tested, I suspect none of us would leave the room without a bit of a shock. Not unlike Jay's story among many.

 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
Nice story , but you should have found a parking spot to finish listening to the show .
You needlessly increased your carbon footprint with that extra hour of driving .
 

wkmac

Well-Known Member
Nice story , but you should have found a parking spot to finish listening to the show .
You needlessly increased your carbon footprint with that extra hour of driving .

Actually I drove up to Chattanooga and ate lunch at Bea's. You've never had southern fried chicken until you've had Bea's!
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
gotta love trump sometimes!:

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Babagounj

Strength through joy
Inmates freed by Obama ;
One is confirmed dead , he was executed in a half way house a few weeks ago .
And this ....
Man freed early from life sentence by Obama back in jail
A San Antonio man who was freed from life in prison by President Barack Obama is back behind bars after allegedly crashing his vehicle into another motorist and undercover police cars while fleeing from a drug deal Thursday.

Robert M. Gill, 68, whose life sentence for cocaine and heroin distribution conspiracy was commuted by Obama and expired in 2015, was profiled last year in the Express-News about his readjustment to life on the outside.


Jailed from the time of his arrest in 1990, Gill earned a legal education inside prison libraries and successfully petitioned the then-president for a second chance after his court appeals were exhausted.

He was taken to federal court Friday, and U.S. Magistrate Judge Henry Bemporad ordered him held without bond pending a bail hearing on Feb. 16. Gill is charged with possession with intent to distribute 500 grams or more of cocaine.

He again faces a potential sentence with a mandatory minimum, five years, and could get up to 40.
 
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