Schools = prison?

ImWaitingForTheDay

Annoy a conservative....Think for yourself
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moreluck

golden ticket member
More than 6 million Americans locked up ???? And they vote and receive checks from the government , massive tax refunds and the like.!!
 

wkmac

Well-Known Member

Since you appear to be pulling a Moreluck (funny how her MO and yours are so similar) let's take a moment with that point.

MotherJones, Feb. 2012

President Obama's budget request for fiscal year 2013 includes cuts to everything from Medicare and Medicaid to defense and even homeland security. But federal prisons are among its "biggest winners," according to an analysis by the Federal Times. The Bureau of Prisons (BOP) is seeking a 4.2 percent increase, one of the largest of any federal agency, which would bring its total budget to more than $6.9 billion.


So what kind of criminals are we spending all this money to incarcerate? If you're thinking terrorists and kidnappers, think again. According to the Sentencing Project, only 1 in 10 federal prisoners is locked up for a violent offense of any kind. More than half are drug offenders—hardly surprising, since federal prosecutions for drug offenses more than doubled between 1984 and 2005. The 1980s also produced mandatory minimum sentences, which meant we were not only sending more people to prison, we were keeping them there far longer—a perfect formula for an exploding prison population.

Indeed, the federal prison population ballooned from fewer than 25,000 inmates in 1980 to 210,000 in 2010—an eightfold increase—while the federal prison budget grew by a whopping 1,700 percent. Nowadays, as state prison populations have begun to fall for the first time in decades—the product of a steady decline in violent-crime rates, lawsuits over prison conditions, and deficits that have forced state officials to rethink their incarceration policies—the number of federal inmates continues to grow by about 3 percent a year. The projected 2013 federal prison population is 229,268 inmates—6,500 or more than in 2012. "Increasing funding for more prison beds has been shown to be a self-fulfilling prophecy," notes the Justice Policy Institute. "If you build it, they will come."

Both parties and Presidents from either one have been horrible and this includes the current Puppet-N-Chief and the narrative of the controlled opposition you appear to trumpet. And do we look at the private prison/justice complex and who and where that lobby money is ending up at? Careful, the cognitive dissonance can be a 8itch!

Now, back to regular programming.

Are US SCHOOLS more like PRISON? JUVENILE HALLS or Educational Institution? - YouTube

The Wall was right, "We Don't Need No Education, We Don't Need No Thought Control."

Appears the truth is we don't need education that is nothing but thought control.
 

Catatonic

Nine Lives
Noam Chomsky on the purpose of schooling.
I feel better about having been a behavioral problem.
I hated stupid assignments and refused to do a few of them.

PS - This more like how he looked and acted when I met him at Ga Tech.
 

Catatonic

Nine Lives
Noam Chomsky on UPS operations management ;)
Chomsky does NOT really delve into the micro-structure of society such as the UPS culture but this video does provide some insight into what he might have to say.
Some people at UPS dive into the culture and enjoy it.
Some people work at UPS only for the money and hate every minute there.
Most are somewhere in between.
 

wkmac

Well-Known Member
"That erroneous assumption is to the effect that the aim of public education is to fill the young of the species with knowledge and awaken their intelligence, and so make them fit to discharge the duties of citizenship in an enlightened and independent manner. Nothing could be further from the truth. The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all, it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality. That is its aim in the United States, whatever the pretensions of politicians, pedagogues and other such mountebanks, and that is its aim everywhere else." —H.L. Mencken
 

Catatonic

Nine Lives
Sounds like a UPS Driver with a few modifications:
- authoritarian structure
- dress code
- emphasis on minimal talking and order
- negative reinforcement
- walk shortest distance
- loss of individual autonomy
- abridged freedoms
- no input in decision making
- set times enforced for walking, eating, lifting, placing, etc.
 

wkmac

Well-Known Member
Sounds like a UPS Driver with a few modifications:
- authoritarian structure
- dress code
- emphasis on minimal talking and order
- negative reinforcement
- walk shortest distance
- loss of individual autonomy
- abridged freedoms
- no input in decision making
- set times enforced for walking, eating, lifting, placing, etc.

There's always been a military strain within UPS. Before college degrees became the prerequisite of management positions, former military service was a great value in getting promoted. As much as the above is true, I see more the vestiges of Taylorism in the day to day operations of UPS but at the same time I can see Taylorism in public schooling as well. Ken Robinson in one of his TED talks animated as an RSA video note some of that observation without naming it outright. But IMO it leaps from the pages.

Trained to follow orders and keep one's place by often accepting ad verecundiam is not just purpose of political power but also rolls over into the realm of the owners of capital. Like the holders of power in protecting their own status as illusion of what reality is, owners of capital play the same game. More often than not if one looks honestly, it's hard to tell where the owners of power and the owners of capital differ from one another.
 
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