Jackburton
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You're wrong. If it affects what I do on a daily basis in that package car, it's a safety item. Almost everything I write up is safety.
You're wrong. If it affects what I do on a daily basis in that package car, it's a safety item. Almost everything I write up is safety.
I think you miss the point. There has to be a standard for what is unsafe or safe. You wouldn't want to take your personal car for a State Inspection and have them give you a rejection sticker for something that wasn't covered by state law would you? The fact that by UPS standards the camera isn't something you Red Tag a vehicle for is true. Look at what I said next in my first post, I do believe it was on how to get your mechanic to help you out...1. The fact that your title under your name says "the new generation of sups" tells me right away that your wrong.....all the time.
2. When I'm told by my management team to "use camera as a third mirror", that tells me it's a safety issue. Unless you're telling me I don't need mirrors now too.
If it is not a safety item, then why install them at all?
On our Backing Methods, the backing camera is meant to be used as a "third mirror."
So why even include it in our "DOK" knowledge if it's not really meant to be used for safety at all?
If it's relevant to safety, than it is a safety item, is it not?
A non working piece of safety equipment is a reason to red tag a vehicle. There isn't a check-a-box down the DVIR as to what's safe and what's unsafe. The standard you are looking for is what the driver feels comfortable with.I think you miss the point. There has to be a standard for what is unsafe or safe. You wouldn't want to take your personal car for a State Inspection and have them give you a rejection sticker for something that wasn't covered by state law would you? The fact that by UPS standards the camera isn't something you Red Tag a vehicle for is true. Look at what I said next in my first post, I do believe it was on how to get your mechanic to help you out...
Anytime you want to know what "The new generation of Sups" means feel free to ask. It's probably not what you think.
A non working piece of safety equipment is a reason to red tag a vehicle. There isn't a check-a-box down the DVIR as to what's safe and what's unsafe. The standard you are looking for is what the driver feels comfortable with.
Let me turn the question around ask if you backed up into something and you had decided that going out without a back up camera was safe, would you disagree with a sup for telling you that you never should have taken that vehicle out? Would you ever take a vehicle out with the driver side mirror missing? Would you ever think about if you backed up over a child if you would have simply taken one of the other four vehicles that were there with cameras, would that child still be alive?
The backup camera is one of the single most important safety items on the package car. Right behind brakes, steering, transmission, mirrors, and safety belt. Alex, I don't care what DOT standards are or whatever. Talking reality, the camera literally prevents deaths from occurring. The cam covers a massive blind spot that a kid could sneak into.
I can't imaging the accidents that must have occurred back when these things didn't have came
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The problem here as I see it is you are taking an enhancement and turning it into a critical safety item.
The backup camera is one of the single most important safety items on the package car. Right behind brakes, steering, transmission, mirrors, and safety belt. Alex, I don't care what DOT standards are or whatever. Talking reality, the camera literally prevents deaths from occurring. The cam covers a massive blind spot that a kid could sneak into.
I can't imaging the accidents that must have occurred back when these things didn't have cameras.
I hope you're playing devil's advocate because what you just posted is absurd. In the 70s we didn't have seat belts and didn't get air bags until the 90s but do you not see these "enhancements" now as "critical" safety item"s in your vehicle?
Bottom line is that UPS decided that the backup cameras were important for safety and added them to every package car for a reason.
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what does DOT say about a sharp protruding edge on the bulkhead door?….Dot standards (as pertains to a package car) are not all inclusive. Many things can be unsafe on a package car and the DOT may say nothing about themI am not wrong. A safety item would be a item that is deemed a safety Item by DOT standards for the Federal Annual Inspection that most UPS vehicles fall under, or State Inspection standards depending on where you are.
we always "backed by sound"
Or when the back of you're head banged against the bulkhead. Them old spring mounted bumpers on those old P6's and P8's took a dirty beating.When you heard an impact or a scream you would then know to stop?
I agree with you in theory but I do not think of the backup camera as an essential or critical safety item.I really fail to see how someone can honestly not see how a back up camera isn't a safety item. ABS brakes are an enhancement also but would you take a package car out with the big red light glaring at you on your dash? As I said in a previous post, would you take a package car out with the drivers side mirror broken off? Would knowingly take a package car out that the E brake was loose?
You guys absolutely amaze me even when safety is shoved down our throats you still desire to "gamble" with the well being of the public and yourselves. We have language protecting us from being forced to operate vehicles that aren't 100% safe with the equipment placed in them operating correctly. No amount of productivity is worth my safety or that of the public's.
It helps a ton when squeezing into a spot at the hub where there is not much room to get in/out and most turn quickly after clearing the front end of neighboring car. Other then that, the sound is as useful as the monitor.If you use good safety habits checking the rear of your vehicle upon approach and back immediately, I question the backup camera's effectiveness
After some brutal snow, the best thing I ever heard a center manager say is: " In Syracuse they can run scratch, why are you guys having so many problems"?
I really fail to see how someone can honestly not see how a back up camera isn't a safety item. ABS brakes are an enhancement also but would you take a package car out with the big red light glaring at you on your dash? As I said in a previous post, would you take a package car out with the drivers side mirror broken off? Would knowingly take a package car out that the E brake was loose?
You guys absolutely amaze me even when safety is shoved down our throats you still desire to "gamble" with the well being of the public and yourselves. We have language protecting us from being forced to operate vehicles that aren't 100% safe with the equipment placed in them operating correctly. No amount of productivity is worth my safety or that of the public's.
That would be like saying if I used a fire extinguisher on route would I refuse to use the vehicle the rest of the day.If you were out on route and the camera crapped out would you pull off and call for a backup PC or write it up and use skill to get you through the rest of the day?
If the OP feels as strongly as he does then he needs to stick to his guns.
Personally I think the back up cameras are a band aid to other problems and make people complacent.