So you want to end policing

refineryworker05

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13% of the US population (black people) are responsible for 52% of all violent crime in the US.

Pretty easy to see how people can make that correlation.
That stat is not accurate, but well over 90% of black people aren't violent criminals. So what is the connection to violence and the black race in your mind? That because some violent criminals are black that connects all black people to their violent crimes? The only way to come that irrational belief is to be an anti black bigot.
 

refineryworker05

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Objectively false.
Based on what? Your feelings? There is polling data to answer this question. You can know this information and not guess.


Seven in 10 Black Americans (71%) say they know "some" or "a lot of" people who were treated unfairly by the police, a much higher figure than among other racial groups in the U.S. and twice the rate among White Americans.

//www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/06/03/10-things-we-know-about-race-and-policing-in-the-u-s/

Majorities of both black and white Americans say black people are treated less fairly than whites in dealing with the police and by the criminal justice system as a whole. In a 2019 Center survey, 84% of black adults said that, in dealing with police, blacks are generally treated less fairly than whites; 63% of whites said the same. Similarly, 87% of blacks and 61% of whites said the U.S. criminal justice system treats black people less fairly

Black adults are about five times as likely as whites to say they’ve been unfairly stopped by police because of their race or ethnicity (44% vs. 9%), according to the same survey. Black men are especially likely to say this: 59% say they’ve been unfairly stopped, versus 31% of black women.

Black Americans are far less likely than whites to give police high marks for the way they do their jobs. In a 2016 survey, only about a third of black adults said that police in their community did an “excellent” or “good” job in using the right amount of force (33%, compared with 75% of whites), treating racial and ethnic groups equally (35% vs. 75%), and holding officers accountable for misconduct (31% vs. 70%).

White police officers and their black colleagues have starkly different views on fundamental questions regarding the situation of blacks in American society, the 2016 survey found. For example, nearly all white officers (92%) – but only 29% of their black colleagues – said the U.S. had made the changes needed to assure equal rights for blacks.
 

Tom MacDonald

Max E. Pads
13% of the US population (black people) are responsible for 52% of all violent crime in the US.

Pretty easy to see how people can make that correlation.
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SLW

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That stat is not accurate, but well over 90% of black people aren't violent criminals. So what is the connection to violence and the black race in your mind? That because some violent criminals are black that connects all black people to their violent crimes? The only way to come that irrational belief is to be an anti black bigot.
Obviously most black people aren't criminals. But black people are involved in violent crime at a much higher rate than any other racial group. The better question is "why," not to say that it's not real.
 

DriveInDriѵeOut

Inordinately Right
Based on what? Your feelings? There is polling data to answer this question. You can know this information and not guess.


Seven in 10 Black Americans (71%) say they know "some" or "a lot of" people who were treated unfairly by the police, a much higher figure than among other racial groups in the U.S. and twice the rate among White Americans.

//www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/06/03/10-things-we-know-about-race-and-policing-in-the-u-s/

Majorities of both black and white Americans say black people are treated less fairly than whites in dealing with the police and by the criminal justice system as a whole. In a 2019 Center survey, 84% of black adults said that, in dealing with police, blacks are generally treated less fairly than whites; 63% of whites said the same. Similarly, 87% of blacks and 61% of whites said the U.S. criminal justice system treats black people less fairly

Black adults are about five times as likely as whites to say they’ve been unfairly stopped by police because of their race or ethnicity (44% vs. 9%), according to the same survey. Black men are especially likely to say this: 59% say they’ve been unfairly stopped, versus 31% of black women.

Black Americans are far less likely than whites to give police high marks for the way they do their jobs. In a 2016 survey, only about a third of black adults said that police in their community did an “excellent” or “good” job in using the right amount of force (33%, compared with 75% of whites), treating racial and ethnic groups equally (35% vs. 75%), and holding officers accountable for misconduct (31% vs. 70%).

White police officers and their black colleagues have starkly different views on fundamental questions regarding the situation of blacks in American society, the 2016 survey found. For example, nearly all white officers (92%) – but only 29% of their black colleagues – said the U.S. had made the changes needed to assure equal rights for blacks.
That has nothing to do with you saying the majority of blacks have been mistreated by police. Your statement is objectively false and you have no data to back it up.
 

refineryworker05

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Obviously most black people aren't criminals. But black people are involved in violent crime at a much higher rate than any other racial group. The better question is "why," not to say that it's not real.
What does that have to do with black people who aren't criminals? Is crime caused by being black in your mind? Because that's the only way there is a point to make. So the vast majority of black people aren't criminals, but they are connected to criminals because some criminals are black is that your point? It doesn't make sense and it doesn't address the vast majority of black Americans who know based on their personal experience that the police mistreat them.
 

SLW

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I blame the rappers
lol but honestly I'm not sure that's entirely off-base. Single-motherhood rates are the only other thing that's as good a predictor of rates of violence as race. Even in areas there are basically no black people. I'm not sure that just means only having one parent makes you more likely to be violent. I think instead it means having a bad or no family structure makes you more likely to be violent. Or even if your own family structure is fine, living in a community where you're socialized by other people with poor family structures.
 

refineryworker05

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lol but honestly I'm not sure that's entirely off-base. Single-motherhood rates are the only other thing that's as good a predictor of rates of violence as race. Even in areas there are basically no black people. I'm not sure that just means only having one parent makes you more likely to be violent. I think instead it means having a bad or no family structure makes you more likely to be violent. Or even if your own family structure is fine, living in a community where you're socialized by other people with poor family structures.
The vast overwhelming majority of children of single parents will never be criminals. One can say oh well they are more likely than children from two parent homes to be criminals which is true but in your mind what's the cause and effect mechanism exactly? A person born to a single parent has a crime gene? How does the lack of one parent cause criminal behavior in your opinion?
 

SLW

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What does that have to do with black people who aren't criminals? Is crime caused by being black in your mind? Do the vast majority of black people aren't criminals, but they are connected to criminals because some criminals are black is that your point?
Nothing, except they all bear the brunt of generalizations inferred from the statistics. No. No. My point is that the statistics themselves are correct.
 

SLW

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The vast overwhelming majority of children of single parents will never be criminals. One can say oh well they are more likely than children from two parent homes to be criminals which is true but in your mind what's the cause and effect mechanism exactly? A person born to a single parent has a crime gene? How does the lack of one parent cause criminal behavior in your opinion?
I honestly don't know. No such thing as a crime gene. I don't think the lack of one parent causes the criminal behavior, I think it's just one measurable indicator of dysfunction within families and communities.
 

Poop Head

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lol but honestly I'm not sure that's entirely off-base. Single-motherhood rates are the only other thing that's as good a predictor of rates of violence as race. Even in areas there are basically no black people. I'm not sure that just means only having one parent makes you more likely to be violent. I think instead it means having a bad or no family structure makes you more likely to be violent. Or even if your own family structure is fine, living in a community where you're socialized by other people with poor family structures.
The black culture in America glorifies violence and drugs.
 

refineryworker05

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I honestly don't know. No such thing as a crime gene. I don't think the lack of one parent causes the criminal behavior, I think it's just one measurable indicator of dysfunction within families and communities.
How does being a child of a single parent make one dysfunctional? I think people believe a lot of stuff that really doesn't make sense and we take those ill formed beliefs and make dangerous inferences about millions of other Americans. The vast majority of single parents and their children are just regular human beings putting the label of dysfunctional on them is very harsh and untrue.
 
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