socialized healthcare

Babagounj

Strength through joy
I read the English websites for most of my news .
The horror stories they post about their healthcare are just plain weird and stupid .
Patients in hospital have to call 999 just to have someone give them a glass of water , the majority of new nurses are all immigrants who do not speak or understand English , Muslim staff workers forcing their religious beliefs upon elderly patients by refusing to serve them their normal foods , and this .....
Nine in ten hospitals are now unsafe: Bed blocking fuelling overcrowding crisis with a third running out of spaces at least once this winter
  • Patients needing to be admitted from A&E are languishing on trolleys
  • Figures show that 143 out of 154 hospital trusts are over 85 per cent full
  • Patients more likely to die when limit breached as staff make mistakes
  • English hospitals have run out of beds on 517 occasions since November
    There is also a higher risk of hospital-acquired infections because staff may not have time to wash their hands properly or clean equipment adequately.
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
In countries with socialized medicine the rich people pay out of pocket for good healthcare because the government provided medical coverage is so bad.
ask your american friends who have lived in canada for a while! or canadians who have lived in america lol.
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
“In February, Global Tel Link began selling electronic tablets in the prison for $150,” he said. “They charge 25 cents for an email and $1.80 to download a song. And you have to pay them in advance. The state pays Wexford Health Services $298 million a year to run the medical services. The more medical services are cut, the greater the profit. You go to medical and most of the time they tell you to go to the commissary to buy Tylenol or throat lozenges. If you fall in the yard and need a wheelchair they charge you $25. If you can’t sit up they charge you $75 for a motorized cart. They will not treat my hepatitis C, saying it is not advanced enough, but of course it is because the medicine is expensive. It costs between $87,000 and $95,000. A price like this exists solely to enrich pharmaceutical companies. I could get the same drug from India for a few thousand dollars. There is a guy in my block, Joseph Kish Sr., with stage four hepatitis C and cirrhosis. They have denied him treatment because, they said, he will get out soon. There is always a reason not to treat us. Prisons have replaced state psychiatric hospitals. MHM Correctional Services is paid $89 million a year to handle the mentally ill. It does little more than medicate them. And remember most guards, especially with overtime, make more money, about $100,00 a year, than a full professor at a university.

“They are doing to us on the inside what they are doing to us on the outside,” he said. “They are letting poor people die or killing them for profit. Things will get worse and worse until people can’t take it anymore. These corporations won’t stop. No one in the political class will make them stop. It is up to us.” - mumia abu jamal
 

wkmac

Well-Known Member
You say you are against socialism and thus you oppose socialized medicine on the grounds it is socialism.

Yet, you advocate for the socialization of defense and even argue we should spend ever increasing amounts of extracted taxpayer dollars and debt slavery on the unborn on behalf of it.

What if they are both a form of socialism and advocating for either one by definition makes you a socialist?
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
I want the Venezuela system!
i want the american system!

you know, the one where you spend way more than any other country but only get average results

btw according to chomsky the US system is the only lightly regulated privatized system of the developed countries and its the most inefficient
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
i was talking to my foot doctor today. i had to pay out of pocket and bill my insurance because the government stopped covering it in the 2000s according to him along with some other things. he said back then the doctors put up a fight to try and keep the government involved, and if not they wanted diabetics especially to be covered by the government but the government got out. he said amputations or deaths related to diabetes tripled because of the costs of it being private. today i paid $25 (because the government still covers something), last time i paid $75, and my insurance which my union fought for will pick up some of the bill.
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
rickyb, move to Venezuela .
It's a working socialist country .
But you must bring your own equipment , supplies and plenty of cash for bribes .
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
A tractor load of toilet paper could get you elected president .

Oh, today the citizens burnt down the Supreme Court's Building .
 

TearsInRain

IE boogeyman
it's funny that anyone would use the current state of the NHS as a horror example when it's been withheld funding increases for years by conservatives trying to run it into the ground

the fact is single-payer systems are better and cheaper than anything else, IF you adequately fund them

it saves money but you have to at least pay quarters on the dollar for it, not pennies...
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
What about a closed mind?
i dont fret over people on this site if what they write is their opinion or if its somebody elses. im guessing most of hte time they heard it from somewhere else and are just repeating it. i believe its called tribalism. most of the republicans think one way and there are 2 factions on the left as far as im concerned that either want to reform the system or replace it entirely.

the fact is your ideas and your existence is not unique. you are one of many.
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
on my rafting trip, 2 of my fellow rafters were nurses from dallas. they said i wouldnt be able to get a deviated septim surgery in america. i didnt ask them to elaborate. they mentioned the US system costing alot of money. we explained our system.
 
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