Boulevard859710
Well-Known Member
End Foreign Aid
newfie
Well-Known Member
so you don't hate the successful?
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
Like the war on drugs, the war on terror will never end, it makes too much money for too many people.
Sportello
Banned
some slave masters were also successful.
some government officials were also "successful" under state socialism.
but some of us on the left are not against "success", we are against the system.
newfie
Well-Known Member
but you're not talking about taxing the system, you want to penalize the successful. A ups driver making 33 an hour could become the successful in some peoples eyes. what's to stop them from deciding we are successful and need to pay more in taxes?
no i was initially just telling you why jobs are leaving USA, and that a famous book came out which tried to prove that capitalism systematically creates inequality.
my definition of "successful" is not someone who is good at profiting at capitalism / state socialism / slavery / etc.
some people who i consider successful would be the music group rage against the machine, cornel west , chris hedges, the wachowskis who made the matrix movie, george lucas.
i am against all of the above listed economic systems.
one way of looking at taxation is a way of redistributing money which is so poorly distributed in the first place. alot of people dont like inequality and use taxation to alleviate it.
newfie
Well-Known Member
Then you're fine with me taking your weekly earnings and deciding how much I will let you have this week?
oldngray
nowhere special
Since he is so "successful" he won't mind.
happens all the time in capitalism. the employer takes a portion of what you produce and then pays you. and then after that the government takes a portion of your weekly earnings.
i think workers should be the ones deciding how much they are going to be paid and what to do with what they produce, and workers should probably all own the businesses they work in.
and the community should decide how much money to give to the government, which in theory u already do.
newfie
Well-Known Member
I don't decide. I think the government is not doing enough to make sure they spend my money wisely. I would like to give a lot less until they prove they can properly manage my money.
well there are other groups which influence government, namely the very richest and the corporations.
frankly, the system needs a revolution. obviously the way government is structured produces undesirable results in teh eyes of most people. ditto for capitalism.
if you want things to get better, you have to do something. anything is better than nothing, so at the very least it means wearing political clothes, political bumper stickers, flying political flags from your house, talking to people about politics, etc.
it will only be a drop in the ocean, but thats where faith comes in: that doing the right thing is worthwhile regardless of what you achieve / the outcome.
btw i agree with you that the US tax system is a rip off for poor and middle class people.
bottomups
Bad Moon Risen'
Most middle class pay has been stagnant for years, and CEO compensation has been rising quickly. Guess we must live in a socialist society.
capitalism, slavery, feudalism, socialism, ALL distribute wealth and goods a certain way. unfortunately, the problem is in most cases a minority making those decisions, and of course this minority gives it mostly to themselves.
this is not to say who pays the taxes or how much they pay is fair in US
newfie
Well-Known Member
the ones that receive the most government services should pay the most.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
Old people?
