The Electric Van

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
From what I've been able to get from the FedEx public website, FedEx has 43 electric vans and 365 hybrid vehicles currently in service worldwide. Does this include golf carts, Hub vehicles and others that don't really qualify as bona fide delivery vehicles? Probably. And as others have pointed out, this is a tiny fraction of the FedEx fleet, and illustrates how pathetic the FedEx commitment to the environment really is. Their commitment is to hype the living daylights out of it, and pretend that they are actually doing something to positively affect pollution.

Can anyone tell me where these vehicles are actually deployed in the US? I know that there was an all-hybrid station in the Sacramento area, and I have seen one hybrid on tour, but where are the rest of them? And how about the fabulous electric van, which supposedly entered service after it's "triumphant" Route 66 publicity tour. Other than appearing (sort of) in a recent commercial, it seems to have disappeared.

It's interesting that FedEx has apparently rejected the diesel-hydraulic system that UPS has been evaluating. From what I have read, UPS will get back the hybrid cost premium in about 5 years, through reduced fuel usage and less maintenance (e.g. brake wear). UPS doesn't own the technology as far as I know, so FedEx basically isn't interested. Why? Because it is still cheaper to run the crap we have into the ground before scrapping it out. There is no real commitment to meaningful change.....just hype. And isn't that pretty much the case for most aspects of this company. They talk a good story, but when it comes time to actually do something, Memphis needs a Viagra before it can perform.

We have actually been receiving new Sprinters and some Econolines, but none remotely approach "alternative" status. Nearly every station has low-mileage, high density routes that are perfect applications for hybrid and/or electric technology. Where are the green machines?

Since FedEx absolutely, positively lies about almost everything, if any of you know where these vehicles are stationed, and how many of them there really are, I'd like to know about it. Especially the fabulous Electric Van.
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
What if the hybrids look like other vehicles and you see them but don't know it?

Are you kidding? If FedEx has a hybrid, you can be assured that it will be plastered all over the vehicle. "FED-EX PROJECT GREEN" or " ALTERNATIVE ENERGY VEHICLE" or "PANDA-FRIENDLY" is going to be covering the exterior.
 

hondo

promoted to mediocrity
Seen on the streets of Chicago: modal-fedex.jpg
modal-fedex.jpg
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
Not really. I bet some of their vans are E85 compatible but there are only very small clues that let you know. A yellow fuel cap and maybe a FlexFuel badge.
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
Not really. I bet some of their vans are E85 compatible but there are only very small clues that let you know. A yellow fuel cap and maybe a FlexFuel badge.

Probably. But E85 isn't widely available. When we fuel new Econolines, it's at stations with 10% ethanol content. There is no effort to get a contract fueler that could fuel them with E85. All new diesel vehicles (Sprinters) have to use Ultra-Low-Sulfur content diesel, and they are pretty clean. Still not a hybrid or electric.
 

Mr. 7

The monkey on the left.
You burn your supplies.
I'm serious.
My route is only about 25 miles of driving each day. But, in the winter, I need some sort of heat.
We all know that heat in a regular car comes from the hot coolant in the engine. We all also know that deriving heat via electricity is extremely inefficient and would run down the batteries of a fully electric vehicle in no time.
 

scratch

Least Best Moderator
Staff member
The company that builds these electric vans is in England and filed for bankruptcy last year. I don't know how they are doing now, UPS had been showing off the same vehicle too. It gets about a hundred miles on a charge. I laughed when I saw the Fedex commercial, UPS has a much larger fleet of so-called green vehicles and started changing out aircraft engines a long time ago.
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
I'm serious.
My route is only about 25 miles of driving each day. But, in the winter, I need some sort of heat.
We all know that heat in a regular car comes from the hot coolant in the engine. We all also know that deriving heat via electricity is extremely inefficient and would run down the batteries of a fully electric vehicle in no time.

My guess is that they have to use the battery power and sacrifice some range for the necessity of having a heater.
 

Mr. 7

The monkey on the left.
You guys are killin' me :st_patrick:

BB,
I'm intrigued,
I know the old VWs were air cooled, how did they add a heater with kerosene?
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
You guys are killin' me :st_patrick:

BB,
I'm intrigued,
I know the old VWs were air cooled, how did they add a heater with kerosene?

Actually, didn't the early Bugs use a gasoline heater? Also, they didn't mention that the Electric Van has no brakes. There's a large hole in the floor where you apply the Flintsone Method to slow or stop the vehicle. You can also do your business through the floor and avoid wasting time looking for a bathroom.

This whole deal was a PR stunt. FedEx has no intention of ever buying a large fleet of these vans. Look at it. It's small, expensive, and would require FedEx to invest in additional infrastructure to support it (charging stations, specialized maintenance etc). I don't think that the company that built it has gone under yet, but electric vehicle manufacturers don't tend to last because nobody buys more than a handful of them. The only time you're ever going to see one in the real world is when the "Fred's Green Dog and Pony Show" goes on the road to show the public how "FedEx Cares" about the environment. Bottom line...they don't care.
 
Top