THE TRUMP 2024 THREAD

[vantexan]

He was talking about how the frogs are turning gay. Became a funny meme as you said. But When you look into it more, you’ll see he was talking about certain pesticides that are actually changing the sex of frogs from male to female. Changing their biological structure

“Studies have found that male frogs exposed to atrazine-contaminated water can develop into functional females, capable of mating and producing eggs”

Now let’s just get real hypothetical here for debate purposes, assuming you’re keeping an open mind

Let’s say something happened that changed your physical structure to that resembling a female, but your brain is still you. Your body is now by all accounts physically a female, but your brain is telling you that you’re a male.

Are you going to now start dressing and acting and identifying as a female because that’s what your biological body is showing as fact, or are you going to continue to dress and identify as a man like your brain is telling you that you are?

That's an interesting question but it's not a valid defense because people aren't changing sexes going from one to another because of ingesting chemicals. People who believe they are another sex have to have their body parts altered but even then men aren't suddenly developing the organs necessary to reproduce.

 

[Doublestandards]

How could the frog thing happen to a fetus in the womb?

Again, philosophical discussion. If it can happen to the frogs after they’re born, I don’t see why it couldn’t happen to a human while they’re developing

Are you suggesting that transgender people don’t identify differently then from what their body shows, and they’re just making it up?

 

[Thebrownblob]

That's an interesting question but it's not a valid defense because people aren't changing sexes going from one to another because of ingesting chemicals. People who believe they are another sex have to have their body parts altered but even then men aren't suddenly developing the organs necessary to reproduce.

I definitely believe there’s a pharmacological and psychological issue with this transgenderism.

 

[Doublestandards]

That's an interesting question but it's not a valid defense because people aren't changing sexes going from one to another because of ingesting chemicals. People who believe they are another sex have to have their body parts altered but even then men aren't suddenly developing the organs necessary to reproduce.

Thank for you atleast admitting it’s an interesting question lol, you’re always a good person to debate with

I’m suggesting, what if the same thing that happened to the frogs happened to transgender people while they are developing in the womb?

All human embryos start off as female. Who is to say that with transgender people, something happens where they develop male physical traits, for whatever reason, but still identify as men in their brain.

That is why I bring up the idea of it happening after birth, to try and force empathy. I know for me, if I woke up and biologically I was now a female, I wouldn’t start identifying as a female if my brain stayed the same

 

[Sportello]

Have you been peeking again?

You’ve put a in the open

 

[Doublestandards]

It’s why I also brought the issue up with @Thebrownblob and his son; because I know he loves and cares about his son. I find it hard to believe if what happened to the frogs happened to him, but in his mind he was still a man, that you would suddenly start referring to him as a female and your daughter just because that’s the fact of what he is biologically

I know it’s a bit out there, and not exactly the same thing, but it’s an example of how transgender people explain what they’re going through

And unless you believe they’re making it up, I don’t understand all the pushback, except for the sports issue

 

[vantexan]

So if the same exact thing that happened to the frogs happened to your son, he’s the same exact son you raised, he still identifies as your son, but biologically because of chemicals in the water he is now technically physically a female, would you go against his wishes of him identifying as a male, and would you start referring to him as your daughter?

You're wanting to complete change our society and culture on impossible what ifs. I think a number of members on here have said repeatedly that if a man wants to believe he's a woman and live that way that's his business. Just don't insist that everyone else must accept it, go along with it. And don't alter a child until that child is a legal adult and can decide for himself. Stop trying to force all of this and most everyone will be relaxed about it.

 

[Doublestandards]

You're wanting to complete change our society and culture on impossible what ifs. I think a number of members on here have said repeatedly that if a man wants to believe he's a woman and live that way that's his business. Just don't insist that everyone else must accept it, go along with it. And don't alter a child until that child is a legal adult and can decide for himself. Stop trying to force all of this and most everyone will be relaxed about it.

How am I wanting to completley change our culture and society?

 

[Thebrownblob]

It’s why I also brought the issue up with @Thebrownblob and his son; because I know he loves and cares about his son. I find it hard to believe if what happened to the frogs happened to him, but in his mind he was still a man, that you would suddenly start referring to him as a female and your daughter just because that’s the fact of what he is biologically

I know it’s a bit out there, and not exactly the same thing, but it’s an example of how transgender people explain what they’re going through

And unless you believe they’re making it up, I don’t understand all the pushback, except for the sports issue

People who are mentally ill believe what they are saying. They’re not lying, but they’re still mentally ill. And I’ve seen mental illness manifest through medicine prescriptions.

 

[vantexan]

Thank for you atleast admitting it’s an interesting question lol, you’re always a good person to debate with

I’m suggesting, what if the same thing that happened to the frogs happened to transgender people while they are developing in the womb?

All human embryos start off as female. Who is to say that with transgender people, something happens where they develop male physical traits, for whatever reason, but still identify as men in their brain.

That is why I bring up the idea of it happening after birth, to try and force empathy. I know for me, if I woke up and biologically I was now a female, I wouldn’t start identifying as a female if my brain stayed the same

But the transgender identity goes for both sexes, not just for those who develop male physical traits but see themselves in their minds as women. What about those whose parents were convinced their child was trans and had them physically altered and now that child is grown and is very upset that they can't be with the opposite sex or bear children? The zeal to push this ideology has caused real world pain for quite a few people.

 

[vantexan]

How am I wanting to completley change our culture and society?

By pushing trans ideology. By insisting every accommodation be made for trans people like letting them participate on girls sports teams. By insisting proper pronouns be used.

 

[Box Ox]

if I woke up and biologically I was now a female, I wouldn’t start identifying as a female if my brain stayed the same

But you would be a female. Your biology is your biology.

Fortunately for us that's never happened on planet Earth.

 

[vantexan]

I definitely believe there’s a pharmacological and psychological issue with this transgenderism.

In that it seemed a very rare occurrence decades ago. Seems like a mass psychosis.

 

[Doublestandards]

People who are mentally ill believe what they are saying. They’re not lying, but they’re still mentally ill. And I’ve seen mental illness manifest through medicine prescriptions.

Are gay people mentally ill for being attracted to the opposite sex, despite serving no biological function of reproduction?

 

[Doublestandards]

. What about those whose parents were convinced their child was trans and had them physically altered and now that child is grown and is very upset that they can't be with the opposite sex or bear children? The zeal to push this ideology has caused real world pain for quite a few people.

How many cases of that has happened?

 

[Doublestandards]

By pushing trans ideology. By insisting every accommodation be made for trans people like letting them participate on girls sports teams. By insisting proper pronouns be used.

I have never insisted for either of those things to happen

 

[Doublestandards]

In that it seemed a very rare occurrence decades ago. Seems like a mass psychosis.

Because they were forced to hide, just like gay people had to deal with for so long

 

[Doublestandards]

But you would be a female. Your biology is your biology.

Fortunately for us that's never happened on planet Earth.

Yes I would biologically be a female, but I wouldn’t identify as one and start acting as one, and I don’t think you would either

 

[vantexan]

How many cases of that has happened?

I've seen some on tv. Are you of the opinion that when a parent, or a school, decides that a child is trans that they are usually right? Exactly what's the harm in waiting until the child is a legal adult? It's their body.

 

[Box Ox]

if I woke up and biologically I was now a female, I wouldn’t start identifying as a female if my brain stayed the same

But you would be a female. Your biology is your biology.

Fortunately for us that's never happened on planet Earth.

Yes I would biologically be a female, but I wouldn’t identify as one and start acting as one

That's cool. But no one should be expected to pretend you're a male and accommodate you accordingly. You're not a male.