Tired of shoveling?

UnconTROLLed

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Not sure where else to post this, but since many UPSers along the east coast are dealing with an impressive winter, it's time (for me anyway) to start digging up some science and seeing what "could" happen as we end winter.

First of all, a massive -NAO block will be occuring in the coming week-two.

What is the NAO? Laymens - It is a statistical climate indice used to measure upper-air temperatures between Greenland and the Azores. When positive, it generally indicates lower than normal temperatures at the 500mb level (roughly 18k feet ASL). When negative, it indicates warmer than normal temperatures at 500mb.

When we talk about a NAO block regime, it is generally presumed that the block manifests itself as a semi-permanent fixture - and can maintain itself by ways of other global anomalies persisting in other areas.

This coming -NAO block is not dissimilar to blocks we have seen this winter, previously in Mid-December (rememeber the record cold for parts of the mid-south?) and also january early Feb ( recall the massive winter storms several weeks ago across MD/VA/PA)

What happens is, the NAO block itself does not cause the storm. The changes in itself, upward or downward movement in the observed indicies, can be an early indicator that an event will occur. There has been extensive research, both at M.S and PHD level done by Heather Archambault that goes in depth. http://www.atmos.albany.edu/student/heathera/research.htm

Bottom line , there is a high likelyhood of at least one high-precipitation event , possibliy two, to affect the east coast between February 25th and March 10th. A recovery in the index, possibly a rubber-band snap upwards in the NAO in early March, may ultimately be the contributor. Something to watch for!

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So you're saying there is a better than average chance that there will be two more snow storms on the east side of the country????
 

UnconTROLLed

perfection
Much better than average.

I'd say there is a 50% chance of a major winter storm , and 20% chance of a crippling , extreme event, for someone north of the Ohio River , delmarva, and east of the MS river.

There is also a fair chance of a snow/ice event , though probably not too severe, in the southern plains/mid MS valley

I'll explain in detail tomorrow when/if more information comes in. Should be fun times ahead. :happy-very:
 

UnconTROLLed

perfection
Bring it on! I hope it occurs during the week, white gold!!!
As you wish!

NWS Taunton gun-shy at this point, and why not after last weeks epic bust....but it's almost painful to read the area forecast discussion...

LONG TERM /SUNDAY NIGHT THROUGH FRIDAY/...
MAINLY DRY CYCLONIC FLOW WILL CONTINUE ACROSS SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND
SUNDAY AND SUNDAY NIGHT. PERIODS OF BKN STRATOCU WILL PERSIST
HOWEVER...AND THIS WILL OFFER MOSTLY CLOUDY SKIES...ESPECIALLY OVER
THE NORTHEASTERN HALF OF THE CWA.

MONDAY APPEARS TOP BE KIND OF A TRANSITION DAY AS WE GET SQUEEZED IN
BETWEEN THE DEPARTING CLOSED LOW OVER OR JUST EAST OF THE MARITIMES
AND AN APPROACHING SHORT WAVE TROUGH TO THE WEST. THIS SHOULD ALLOW
FOR A DECENT DAY ON MONDAY WITH SNE GENERALLY UNDERNEATH SHORT WAVE
RIDGING. WE EXPECT SEASONABLE TEMPERATURES WITH PLENTY OF SUNSHINE
THAT WILL FADE BEHIND INCREASING CIRRUS DURING THE AFTERNOON.

THE FORECAST FOR MIDWEEK IS A LOW CONFIDENCE ONE IN TERMS OF EXACT
TIMING OF POPS...PRECIP TYPE...AND QPF. HOWEVER...WE ARE PRETTY
CONFIDENT IN THAT AT LEAST ONE COASTAL STORM SYSTEM WILL DELIVER
INCLEMENT CONDITIONS TO SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND TUESDAY AND
WEDNESDAY...AND POSSIBLY THURSDAY.


THE 12Z ECMWF AND GFS ARE IN PRETTY GOOD AGREEMENT WITH THE
DEVELOPMENT AND PROGRESSION OF LARGER SCALE FIELDS DURING THE MIDWEEK
PERIOD. HOWEVER...JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE CURRENTLY IN AGREEMENT
DOESN/T MEAN THEY WILL BE RIGHT.
THE INTERACTION OF STREAMS AND
SUBTLE SHORT WAVES WILL TAKE QUITE SOME TIME TO PIN
DOWN...THEREFORE...MODEL SOLUTIONS ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE OVER THE
NEXT FEW DAYS.

A SOUTHERN STREAM SHORT WAVE IS PROGGED TO COME ASHORE IN SOUTHERN
CALIFORNIA BY EARLY SATURDAY MORNING AND SLUNG ALL THE WAY TO THE
EAST COAST BY SOMETIME MONDAY NIGHT. A WARM AIR ADVECTION PATTERN
AND LOW LEVEL CYCLOGENESIS SHOULD RESULT ON THE EAST COAST AND ALLOW
FOR PRECIP TO BREAK OUT ACROSS SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND LATE MONDAY NIGHT
OR EARLY TUESDAY.

HOW MUCH THIS NEW LOW WANTS TO ORGANIZE SOUTH OF NEW ENGLAND IS NOT
REALLY KNOWN AT THIS TIME
...AS THIS WILL DETERMINE PRECIP TYPE IN A
LOT OF AREAS...AS WELL AS PRECIPITATION INTENSITY AND LONGEVITY. A
WEAKER REDEVELOPMENT SCENARIO MAY NOT STOP DRY SLOTTING AND A GOOD
AMOUNT OF WARMING TO REACH EVEN THE FAR INTERIOR. FOR NOW...WILL GO
WITH CHANCE POPS MONDAY NIGHT INCREASING TO LIKELY ON TUESDAY. MOST
LOCATIONS WILL PROBABLY BE SNOW AT THE START EXCEPT FOR PERHAPS THE
IMMEDIATE COAST WHERE THEY WE FEEL THE ONSHORE FLOW. WARMER LOW AND
MID LEVEL AIR WILL LIKELY WORK INTO A PORTION OF SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND
LATER TUESDAY AND TUESDAY NIGHT ALLOW FOR A CHANGE TO A MIXED BAG OF
PRECIP...EXCEPT FOR PERHAPS THE FAR NW INTERIOR. HOWEVER...VERY LOW
CONFIDENCE EXISTS AS FAR AS PRECIP TYPE GOES ATTM.
HOWEVER...CURRENT
INDICATIONS ARE THAT A DECENT SLUG OF SNOW...PROBABLY PLOWABLE...IS
IN STORE FOR A GOOD PORTION OF SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND...WITH HIGHER
CONFIDENCE EXISTING ACROSS NORTHERN ZONES.

AFTER TUESDAY DAYTIME...THE FORECAST BECOMES EVEN MORE FUZZY AS LARGE
NORTHERN STREAM CLOSED LOW TRIES TO DIG SOUTHEASTWARD ACROSS THE
GREAT LAKES AND ATTEMPTS TO INTERACT WITH ANOTHER SOUTHERN STREAM
WAVE RESULTING IN A SECOND ROUND OF CYCLOGENESIS FOR LATER WEDNESDAY
INTO THURSDAY. THIS POSSIBLE SCENARIO COMES WITH IT/S OWN BAG OF
UNCERTAINTY AS WELL.


THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND SHOULD BE PREPARED FOR A
PROLONGED ROUND OF WINTRY WEATHER MIDWEEK...INCLUDING ALL PRECIP TYPE
POSSIBILTIES...RAIN...SNOW...FREEZING RAIN...AND SLEET.
HOWEVER...CONFIDENCE IN DETAILS IS LOW. WE WILL TRY TO IRON OUT THE
DETAILS THROUGHOUT THIS WEEKEND.

&&


HPC is off the deep end here, as far as the northeast, not sure about midwest/upper plains, down to TX?? LA??

2Z DETERMINISTIC MODELS HAVE STRONGLY CONVERGED ON THEIR PATTERN
E OF THE ROCKIES DAYS 4-7 CONCERNING THE DEVELOPMENT OF ANOTHER
POSSIBLE MAJOR SNOWSTORM WED NIGHT/THU FOR THE MID ATLANTIC AND
ESPECIALLY NEW ENG.
HELPING TO ACHIEVE THIS MUCH BETTER AGREEMENT
WERE MODELS FINALLY COMING INTO AGREEMENT SUN/MON...DAYS 2-3...IN
TURNING A PACIFIC SHORTWAVE N AROUND THE W SIDE OF A BLOCKING HIGH
INSTEAD OF TRYING TO UNDERCUT THE BLOCK AS SOME WERE DOING IN
YESTERDAYS RUNS.

00Z/19 ENSEMBLE SPAGHETTI PLOTS HAD SHOWN THE DETERMINISTIC 00Z/19
ECMWF/CANADIAN SOLUTIONS...WITH SIGNIFICANT UPPER ENERGY OVER THE
SWRN CONUS THU DAY 6....AS OPPOSED TO THE GFS/UKMET FAMILY OF
SOLUTIONS. THE 00Z/19 GFS/UKMET FAMILY OF S SOLUTIONS (TOWARD
WHICH 12Z/19 MODELS HAVE CONVERGED) HAD THE MAIN SRN STREAM SYS
CROSSING THE GULF COAST STATES WED NIGHT. THIS WAS MORE IN LINE
WITH YESTERDAYS ECMWF RUNS. THE 00Z/19 GFS/UKMET ALSO SHOWED
ENERGY DROPPING S OUT OF A NRN CANADIAN VORTEX BY THU.

ONE SRN STREAM SHORTWAVE MOVES RAPIDLY ENE TO THE E COAST DAYS 3-4
AND SHOULD BRING A MODERATE SNOW EVENT TO THE UPPER OH VLY ACROSS
NE PA TO SRN NEW ENG.
FARTHER S...MOSTLY A RA EVENT IS EXPECTED.
HOWEVER...SLOW DEPARTURE OF A NEWFOUNDLAND LOW EARLY MON COULD
DELAY A CHANGEOVER TO RAIN WITH THIS SYS ALONG THE MASON DIXON
LINE AND POINTS S. FOR NOW THOUGH..WE ARE CONTINUING THE TREND FOR
MOSTLY RA WITH THIS SYS MON BELOW THE MD/PA BORDER. FOR
TUE...EXPECT SIGNIFICANT SNOW ACROSS SRN NEW ENG.

A BETTER THREAT FOR A MAJOR SNOWSTORM COMES FROM THE NEXT SRN
STREAM WAVE WHICH TRACKS ACROSS THE SRN STATES TUE INTO EARLY
THU...AT THE SAME TIME THAT A POTENT PIECE OF ENERGY DROPS SWD
FROM THE POLAR VORTEX IN FAR NRN CANADA. THE AMPLITUDE OF THIS
NEXT SRN STREAM SYS IS LIKELY UNDERDONE BY NEW 12Z/19 MODELS. THE
STRONG SRN STREAM SYS COULD ALSO HELP LAY DOWN A STRIPE OF HEAVY
SNOW ACROSS THE DEEP S FROM TX ACROSS THE GULF STATES ON ITS EWD
TREK TO THE SE COAST.
WITH MODELS CONVERGING ON THE NERN STREAM
CLOSING OFF OVER THE UPPER OH VLY AND MID ATLANTIC BY THU DAY
6...THE STAGE IS SET FOR ANOTHER MAJOR SNOW STORM FOR THE MID
ATLANTIC/NEW ENG.


W OF THE ROCKIES...THE W COAST BECOME RATHER UNCERTAIN AS THE MEAN
RIDGE NEAR THE W COAST OF NOAM WEAKENS. FAIRLY STRONG WESTERLIES
WILL IMPINGE ALONG THE W COAST FROM CA NWD FROM DAY 5 ONWARD
GIVING HEAVY OROGRAPHIC PCPN. TIMING OF THESE W COAST SHORTWAVES
BEYOND DAY 5 IS BELOW AVERAGE CONFIDENCE.

FLOOD


Exciting times, ahead.
 

UnconTROLLed

perfection
Much better than average.

I'd say there is a 50% chance of a major winter storm , and 20% chance of a crippling , extreme event, for someone north of the Ohio River , delmarva, and east of the MS river.

There is also a fair chance of a snow/ice event , though probably not too severe, in the southern plains/mid MS valley

I'll explain in detail tomorrow when/if more information comes in. Should be fun times ahead. :happy-very:

I nailed that one. Winter storm warnings flying throughout KS into the upper midwest, Michigan, etc.

A near or historic blizzard could occur for interior south, central and/or northern New England Thu-Fri. 18-50" of snow falling. Odds 40% or up to 50%. At least 70% chance of a major winter storm with 12-24" falling in that area, con-mht-een-orh-baf-hfd-dan especially foothills/mtns.
 

UnconTROLLed

perfection
Good luck and take care of the roads this week all you UPS'ers. Glad I'm not driving again until June 15th, hopefully the snow/glacier is melted by then.
 

PT Stewie

"Big Fella"
nowstorm timeline: Thursday AM
by Jonathan Erdman , on Feb 23, 2010 2:16 pm ET
A major snowstorm is once again targeting the Northeast beginning Thursday, continuing into Friday.
Way to go SMH you called it.You're going to be very popular.
 

feederdriver06

former monkey slave
shoveling is a good physical workout. doesnt bother me to have to shovel. Snow also gives me overtime. Last storm I sat on central sort for 5 hours waiting for my load to leave with.
 

over9five

Moderator
Staff member
Holy Crap, I'm at 14 inches at my house and it's still coming down (lightly). When I left Chema this morning about 5:30 there was maybe a slushy inch there.

Not looking forward to my ride into sw NH with an empty tonight.....
 

UPSGUY72

Well-Known Member
Got about 20 + in here thank god for the snowblower. I'm laid off so I think I'll go skiing tomorrow and friday. Would have today but the wife stayed home.
 

UnconTROLLed

perfection
nowstorm timeline: Thursday AM
by Jonathan Erdman , on Feb 23, 2010 2:16 pm ET
A major snowstorm is once again targeting the Northeast beginning Thursday, continuing into Friday.
Way to go SMH you called it.You're going to be very popular.
Thanks. No one gives credit when you have a good forecast, but ones that get you popularity are the bad ones! :D
 

UnconTROLLed

perfection
6" here at the house, yet there was between 12 and 18" all throughout towns 5-10 miles west of here. Also down to Over9s neck of the woods.

Tomorrow the real deal, big game in town arrives. At least 12" if not 24"+ throughout portions NYS and PA. NYC will probably see 3-6", interior NJ will see at least 8". Which is great, as it fits into my Feb 25-March 10th timeline.

ALSO : Very large storm possible next week! Possibly mid-south, applalachians, mid-atlantic and new england. rising -NAO/+PNA handshake is basically a lock for something important.

Time for work!
 

Jones

fILE A GRIEVE!
Staff member
We dodged the bullet here, it swung north of us last night and all we got was a little rain.
They're getting pounded up in Philly though.
 

toonertoo

Most Awesome Dog
Staff member
Holy Crap, I'm at 14 inches at my house and it's still coming down (lightly). When I left Chema this morning about 5:30 there was maybe a slushy inch there.

Not looking forward to my ride into sw NH with an empty tonight.....[/QUOTED
Did you not want white gold, you big dope!:peaceful:
 
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