Western Conference Pension Trust Continues To Remain Strong

UPSER1987

Well-Known Member
There are some good informative posts in some of the threads .
It's also a good place to vent.
Venting yes.
Information no.

When a poster requests information, all he/she gets is chastised or stupid memes. That’s not informative or helpful.

But is does underline the reason why union members are weak and in the predicament they find themselves in now- lack of information.
 
Lol. That’s all well and good for the 13 members of this site. How about being proactive and not being terminated in the first place? That may be a more worthwhile video. Y’all always a step too slow lol.
He puts out a lot of good videos maybe you should try watching a couple.

Being terminated it's not always the employees fault sometimes you got some very rogue management trying to make a name for themselves.

Anyways enjoy the rest of your Sunday
 

UPSER1987

Well-Known Member
He puts out a lot of good videos maybe you should try watching a couple.

Being terminated it's not always the employees fault sometimes you got some very rogue management trying to make a name for themselves.

Anyways enjoy the rest of your Sunday
First, you really have to be stupid to even be in the position to be terminated. You almost deserve it for being so stupid. Management spends so much time chasing their own ass, they really have no time to chase yours. Most management aren’t worried you or about making a name for themselves, but to maintain their job. Ain’t nobody got time for that.

Anyways, as I always, I enjoy the entertainment value of this forum. And you enjoy the rest of your Sunday as well.
 

olroadbeech

Happy Verified UPSer
First, you really have to be stupid to even be in the position to be terminated. You almost deserve it for being so stupid. Management spends so much time chasing their own ass, they really have no time to chase yours. Most management aren’t worried you or about making a name for themselves, but to maintain their job. Ain’t nobody got time for that.

Anyways, as I always, I enjoy the entertainment value of this forum. And you enjoy the rest of your Sunday as well.
Agree. Always wondered why anyone would be serious in a discussion forum like this. I tried to entertain but there are a lot of hateful miserable people in the world with low self esteem and the only way they can feel better about themselves is by putting other people down.

I have had a lot of fun here. If you ask a serious question you just have to wade thru the BS and you may find some helpful info.

Today , lots of yard work , chopping wood for next winter, cleaning up property and then a couple beers and BBQ cheeseburgers with corn on the cob.

To us , this is living the life.
 
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Agree. Always wondered why anyone would be serious in a discussion forum like this. I tried to entertain but there are a lot of hateful miserable people in the world with low self esteem and the only way they can feel better about themselves is by putting other people down.

I have had a lot of fun here. If you ask a serious question you just have to wade thru the BS and you may find some helpful info.

Today , lots of yard work , chopping wood for next winter, cleaning up property and then a couple beers and BBQ cheeseburgers with corn on the cob.

To us , this living the life.
Seriously you need to switch your medication
 

burrheadd

KING Of GIFS
Agree. Always wondered why anyone would be serious in a discussion forum like this. I tried to entertain but there are a lot of hateful miserable people in the world with low self esteem and the only way they can feel better about themselves is by putting other people down.

I have had a lot of fun here. If you ask a serious question you just have to wade thru the BS and you may find some helpful info.

Today , lots of yard work , chopping wood for next winter, cleaning up property and then a couple beers and BBQ cheeseburgers with corn on the cob.

To us , this is living the life.
Does us include @Frankie?
 

Over70irregs

Well-Known Member
Don’t be so strong that you cannot bend over and tie your shoes.
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DELACROIX

In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
Re: What happens if the contract isn't ratified on 1/1/08 when the regs go into effec

Sometimes independent information really provides some insight to what is going on with this contract.



A Fund Farewell; Federal pension law gave one push, say some, for UPS and Teamsters to reach early agreement
Traffic World, October 15, 2007 Monday


BYLINE: MICHAEL FABEY

Few events in transportation these days truly reach the level of unique, but the tentative agreement between the Teamsters and UPS for company parcel workers appears to make that mark.

For starters, the tentative pact comes a year early, a first for an agreement of this magnitude between the global shipping giant and the union.

A decade ago, an impasse between the two resulted in a brutal strike that marred relations and cost the company dearly, in terms of customers and revenue.

Then there's the acknowledged key sticking and bargaining point for the two sides - a troubled pension fund.

In 1997, the Teamsters rallied around a cry to keep pensions untouched and intact. This year, negotiators stitched an agreement that allows UPS to pull out of Central States Pension Plan, the biggest shared by the company and the union, for a lump-sum payment of $6.1 billion.

"We will sever once and for all our ties to Central States in terms of financial obligations," said UPS spokesman Norman Black.

"I've not seen one like this before," said Jeffrey Sparling, director of advice for multiemployer pension funds for SEI, a financial services firm which manages $199 billion in assets for 490 clients, including multiemployer plans.

Usually, companies pull out and pay withdrawal fees over a longer haul. "They're shoring up the program in a short time," Sparling said. "That's pretty big."

The key event in the past decade that changed the calculation may have been the Pension Protection Act of 2006. Before that law, a troubled pension fund such as Central States could simply muddle along each year, possibly jeopardizing workers' retirement nest eggs.

The pension plan itself was well funded in 2000. But, like many other funds, Central States took a major hit with the stock market divee and other bumps through the early part of the decade.

In 2005, the last official year for which the data is officially available, the fund reported assets of $18.7 billion and liabilities of $39.6 billion. Fund officials this summer reported assets had grown to about $21.4 billion, still leaving the plan woefully underfunded.

Under the PPA, plans on Jan. 1, 2008 as markedly underfunded as Central States would be required to come up with a plan to become more balanced.
If the companies and unions cannot agree to a mutually acceptable plan, then the fund actuary will formulate one, potentially triggering cuts in benefits. That may have been
pushed the Teamsters and UPS together on a pension issue that once had divided them.
"It will go to default to the actuary, and it's cut, cut, cut the benefits," Sparling said.


But any cutting wouldn't start on Jan. 1. There is roughly a three-month window for the remediation plans. Some union members say the union leadership has scared the members into thinking the contract must be quickly negotiated and ratified to meet the January deadline.

"They can spin the worst-case scenario because no one wants to see the fund cut to nothing," said Sparling.
Union officials said they are under executive order not to discuss the accord now.
"This will ensure the integrity of the pension," Black said. "UPS will shore up the Central States fund."

But many industry observers, including investment analysts, believe the company sees the withdrawal payment as an investment. The company will have greater control of a fund jointly managed by UPS and the Teamsters.

"Over time, this will reduce pension expense for this group of people," Black said. "It will be less costly."

Because both sides and Central States itself are in uncharted territory, said Sparling, it's unclear what the ramifications could be if the tentative agreement is not ratified by Jan. 1.

The Teamsters union is managing the ratification vote and the company expects a final tabulation before Christmas.
The important thing, Sparling said, is to save the fund itself. "These are very valuable funds," he said. "They're better than 401ks."

Edward Wytkind, president of the Transportation Trades Department of the AFL-CIO, said he has no preference between a multiemployer or single company fund. "Both models exist. We've been successful in both. The real issue is to have stable defined benefit plans."

Copyright 2007 Commonwealth Business Media
All Rights Reserved

I agree. It’s littered with posts from those that have no clue what the hell they are talking about, having never done the partners job in any capacity.

Chew on this dated information..And then give us your informed opinion...
 

Over70irregs

Well-Known Member
The company knew to pull out. They are professional calculators with years of experience. The entire $ system is dependent on convincing you that bonds are the solid foundation of your finances & no matter what happens, you can save by lending to your government. The bond ponzi that supports pensions broke recently in the last couple of months & the $ world is still in complete denial. They-are-stalling. We need to learn from the QE overseas at Bank of England that just doubled. We will be the last big fund standing. We need to diversify like yesterday.
 
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