What supplemental article are we talking about?

Ms.PacMan

Well-Known Member
I still don't get how people think CS H&W is the same as CS Pension. They're entirely different. H&W has 13 months of savings and is in great shape. I'm in Washington and I know that...how is that people in the plan don't know?

Then why on earth is it the worst health plan currently available to members?
 

stink219

Well-Known Member
So you think that the locals voting down the supplments is a good thing.
In the scope of fighting for what your looking for it may. I am not upset at all like some extremist on here think I am. This is the process. YES or NO is our individual right. The vote count is a collective result. Now we have the numbers, we all deal with it accordingly. Vote individually, deal with results collectively. I may hate TDU, the color brown and religious and political extremism, but have I ever insulted anyone just because they just voted NO?
 
In the scope of fighting for what your looking for it may. I am not upset at all like some extremist on here think I am. This is the process. YES or NO is our individual right. The vote count is a collective result. Now we have the numbers, we all deal with it accordingly. Vote individually, deal with results collectively. I may hate TDU, the color brown and religious and political extremism, but have I ever insulted anyone just because they just voted NO?
I've looked past you voting yes. I hoped for you voting for us. I don't hold it against you. You just made a mistake that's all.
 

stink219

Well-Known Member
Then why on earth is it the worst health plan currently available to members?
People fear change. There are 12 basic reasons for it. Here they are:

1. Misunderstanding about the need for change/when the reason for the change is unclear — If staff do not understand the need for change you can expect resistance. Especially from those who strongly believe the current way of doing things works well…and has done for twenty years!
2. Fear of the unknown — One of the most common reasons for resistance is fear of the unknown. People will only take active steps toward the unknown if they genuinely believe – and perhaps more importantly, feel – that the risks of standing still are greater than those of moving forward in a new direction
3. Lack of competence — This is a fear people will seldom admit. But sometimes, change in organizations necessitates changes in skills, and some people will feel that they won’t be able to make the transition very well
4. Connected to the old way — If you ask people in an organization to do things in a new way, as rational as that new way may seem to you, you will be setting yourself up against all that hard wiring, all those emotional connections to those who taught your audience the old way – and that’s not trivial
5. Low trust — When people don’t believe that they, or the company, can competently manage the change there is likely to be resistance
6. Temporary fad — When people belief that the change initiative is a temporary fad
7. Not being consulted — If people are allowed to be part of the change there is less resistance. People like to know what’s going on, especially if their jobs may be affected. Informed employees tend to have higher levels of job satisfaction than uninformed employees
8. Poor communication — It’s self evident isn’t it? When it comes to change management there’s no such thing as too much communication
9. Changes to routines — When we talk about comfort zones we’re really referring to routines. We love them. They make us secure. So there’s bound to be resistance whenever change requires us to do things differently
10. Exhaustion/Saturation — Don’t mistake compliance for acceptance. People who are overwhelmed by continuous change resign themselves to it and go along with the flow. You have them in body, but you do not have their hearts. Motivation is low
11. Change in the status quo — Resistance can also stem from perceptions of the change that people hold. For example, people who feel they’ll be worse off at the end of the change are unlikely to give it their full support. Similarly, if people believe the change favours another group/department/person there may be (unspoken) anger and resentment
12. Benefits and rewards — When the benefits and rewards for making the change are not seen as adequate for the trouble involved
 

opie

Well-Known Member
Problem is we haven't been given details about the proposed healthcare plan. Just some bits and pieces, and charts. Why vote yes on something, when you don't know what's in it.
 

Theking30

SHORTY
New Dot Law is 30 minutes per 8 hours. Fines start at $2000. Of course if you stop and take break like everyone should it pretty much does not affect you.

 

no_map_needed

Knowledge is key, Experience is power.
how is that so? my decision was made without those two issues. the language in the contract was getting weaker on certain issues that affect full timers and the part timers were getting shafted. i doubt this contract passes without the raises.
 

brown_trousers

Well-Known Member
how is that so? my decision was made without those two issues. the language in the contract was getting weaker on certain issues that affect full timers and the part timers were getting shafted. i doubt this contract passes without the raises.

Only the regions that voted down their supplements would see those raises. Everywhere else that passed their supplement have already voted and locked in their contracts. The only changes we will see (if any) will be changes in the supplements that were voted down.
 

stink219

Well-Known Member
how is that so? my decision was made without those two issues. the language in the contract was getting weaker on certain issues that affect full timers and the part timers were getting shafted. i doubt this contract passes without the raises.
I keep hearing the word weaker? That means worse than once was. Correct? Can you provide an example?
 

BlackCat

Well-Known Member
It doesn't affect many people. That's why there was a majority YES vote.

You keep saying that but it is simply not true. If you take away the default yes vote for non-voters then it is a blowout.

​The whole voting system needs to change. There is no reason a vote should be counted that has not be cast.
 

Inthegame

Well-Known Member
You keep saying that but it is simply not true. If you take away the default yes vote for non-voters then it is a blowout.

​The whole voting system needs to change. There is no reason a vote should be counted that has not be cast.
What are you saying? What is a default "yes" vote? Votes that are not cast are not counted.
 
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