Where are the real populists (Tea partiers) now?

wkmac

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Speaking of corporations:

Good one! Paul Roberts is a former Reagan official and his views are often found with equal appeal from the paleo-conservative Taki's to the left/progressive Counterpunch and Truthdig not to mention the anarcho-captialist/libertarian-anarchist Lew Rockwell website and even an occassional posting at Antiwar.com. He's very greatly respected across the spectrum.

One point he made that I've found equally true even in my own doctor's office.

As one result, my doctor had to close both the x-ray unit and the state and federally licensed medical laboratory on his premises. Now patients are inconvenienced by having to go to other locations for services that formerly were provided by the doctor at lower cost. A one day medical check-up is now a multiple day event and more expensive.

Now these processes have been taken over by a large healthcare corporation and the actual cost to patients have gone up. Anytime you add another mouth to feed between the doctor and the patient, the actual costs will go up. Corp. Med and Pharma have injected themselves via gov't sanction into the patient/doctor chain and thus instead of feeding one mouth, the doctor if you will, we now feed insurance companies, healthcare companies, drug companies, etc. whereas in an earlier more free market time, we could actually afford to pay for a simple doctor visit out of pocket rather than tapping into our home equity for a loan, if we still have any these days. It was just us and the doctor and the insurance company wasn't involved unless the problem was major, thus the term "major medical coverage". We forgot that demanding our insurance cover all this stuff, that our insurance company was there to profit so any transaction on our behalf between us and the doctor, they get a cut too. Now we have others trying to use the power of the State to horn in on the process and thus we are where we are. We have found the enemy and the enemy is US, not the gov't but the dumb masses! They saw a profit angle and only filled the void in which we were glad to just throw away our money.

My doctor even downsized in office space just to try and maintain some cost controls after he got rid of the X-Ray and on site lab. He's even boned up on vitamins and natural preventative approaches to even help his patients save by just staying healthy to begin with. He tells me once a problem gets to a certain point, he's bound to refer patients to medical specialist and there's nothing in that process for him so a healthy patient is more benefical to his bottomline than an unhealthy one because they are referred out anyway. I'm wondering how long before Big Pharma via Obamacare will stop doctors from giving out that kind of natural preventative advice anyway? It's not far now and this more than most is why I oppose centralized/monopolized/cartelized healthcare. Lost of freedom!
 

island1fox

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Soros, Move on.org, Corporations, Hollywood, etc, etc --I do not care who spends their money --as long as it is not mine or yours --even unions -------opps -that money is yours !!!! With all of the government takeovers and intervention in Corporations --they should have a voice in the political game.:happy-very:
 

bbsam

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Soros, Move on.org, Corporations, Hollywood, etc, etc --I do not care who spends their money --as long as it is not mine or yours --even unions -------opps -that money is yours !!!! With all of the government takeovers and intervention in Corporations --they should have a voice in the political game.:happy-very:
But in fact they will end up with THE voice.
 

island1fox

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But in fact they will end up with THE voice.

bbsam,
Everyone should have a voice or no one should have a voice.

If you want to "eliminate" THE voice of corporations -----eliminate the Unions, the organizations such as moveon.org etc
It would seem the only voices you want heard are only those YOU agree with --Your VOICE ONLY ???

I find it both funny and sad --so many Posters stating --what happens if there is legislation passed that cripples the union?
--I agree -not good --but at worst you will not have a union.
What happens if there is legislation passed that cripples UPS? --not good--but the possibly would exist you may not have a job !!!!:sad-little:
 

bbsam

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bbsam,
Everyone should have a voice or no one should have a voice.

If you want to "eliminate" THE voice of corporations -----eliminate the Unions, the organizations such as moveon.org etc
It would seem the only voices you want heard are only those YOU agree with --Your VOICE ONLY ???

I find it both funny and sad --so many Posters stating --what happens if there is legislation passed that cripples the union?
--I agree -not good --but at worst you will not have a union.
What happens if there is legislation passed that cripples UPS? --not good--but the possibly would exist you may not have a job !!!!:sad-little:
My voice only? Of course not. But who's voice gets heard? $20 donors or $250,000 donors? Odd you should mention crippling UPS. Would be very, very, very, good for my selfish gain.:happy-very:
 

OVERBOARD

Don't believe everything you think
I take great offence with that term "teabaggers".
The first time I heard it was from those fools on the cable news trying to make anyone who protests with the Tea Party group into sexual perverts.
I find anyone who also uses this term to be of very low moral character.

I agree with you..... some people just need to educate themselves and know the word is a sexual slang for something else or they can watch the prison show OZ.
 

island1fox

Well-Known Member
My voice only? Of course not. But who's voice gets heard? $20 donors or $250,000 donors? Odd you should mention crippling UPS. Would be very, very, very, good for my selfish gain.:happy-very:

bbsam,
We can go round and round all day on this --who's voice gets heard: ??
Corporation ---250,000 donation
Obama's grassroot donors ----250,000 donors giving 20 dollars each

On a note we can agree --everyone does look at it as what is in it for me ---does that make it right or wrong ??
 

diesel96

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The sad thing is that I see your point

nah, I just said that cause you piss me off some times...JK...I'm sure your more technically advanced than I am....lol... I'm more mechanically inclined....I still type with two fingers....:peaceful:


Anyway back on point to the teabag...gers, oh... I mean Tea partiers (sorry Tony).....
Teabagger tells Dylan Ratigan Show that Obama reminds her of Hitler



god, I hate these people ! Don't they know that the Supreme Court's recent decsion of allowing corperate and foreign influence on our elections, is more Hitler like than Obama healthcare and spending....
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
Foreign contributions are STILL not allowed......don't you remember seeing that one justice shaking his head? Obama had the wrong info. as usual.
 

tieguy

Banned
nah, I just said that cause you piss me off some times...JK...I'm sure your more technically advanced than I am....lol... I'm more mechanically inclined....I still type with two fingers....:peaceful:


Anyway back on point to the teabag...gers, oh... I mean Tea partiers (sorry Tony).....
Teabagger tells Dylan Ratigan Show that Obama reminds her of Hitler



god, I hate these people ! Don't they know that the Supreme Court's recent decsion of allowing corperate and foreign influence on our elections, is more Hitler like than Obama healthcare and spending....

I would agree that Hitler is an extreme example. But those here that see the war on a powerless republican party, war on the banks ( the jews were the money managers in germany) war on big business, war on the military and the strong move towards socialism have hitleresk concerns. Obama essentially has total control of the political processes here and is flaming the same class warfare issues that hitler flamed in the 30's. Sadly there are real similarities here.
 

bbsam

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I would agree that Hitler is an extreme example. But those here that see the war on a powerless republican party, war on the banks ( the jews were the money managers in germany) war on big business, war on the military and the strong move towards socialism have hitleresk concerns. Obama essentially has total control of the political processes here and is flaming the same class warfare issues that hitler flamed in the 30's. Sadly there are real similarities here.
Honesty time. When people on the left said the same of Bush/Cheney Stalinist tactics, did you see the similarities or was it just left wing crap? Not blaming Bush. Just questioning you...again.
 

tieguy

Banned
Honesty time. When people on the left said the same of Bush/Cheney Stalinist tactics, did you see the similarities or was it just left wing crap? Not blaming Bush. Just questioning you...again.

never heard him referred to as a stalinist.
 

bbsam

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never heard him referred to as a stalinist.

Did you hear him referred to as Hitler by the left and then see republican congressman all aghast at the reference? Senator Durbin made remarks comparing the Abu Ghraib photos to something one would see come out of Nazi Germany. Was that wrong of him to say? Is calling "enhanced interogation" that the United States uses different than "torture" in Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia or Maoist China?
 
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