Working off the "old contract"

[SameRightsForAll]

I have a question for the geniuses here. When a contract expires, why is it that we continue obeying the entire contract EXCEPT for the scheduled pay raise?

 

[CoolStoryBro]

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I have a question for the geniuses here. When a contract expires, why is it that we continue obeying the entire contract EXCEPT for the scheduled pay raise that is already written in and in effect.

We are. The old contract has has the specific date of each raise. There were no provisions for raises after the contract expired. Thus, no raises until we get a new contract.

 

[Hadjabear]

You should be getting progression pay raise from last contract on your anniversary date, not GWI.

 

[SameRightsForAll]

b


We are. The old contract has has the specific date of each raise. There were no provisions for raises after the contract expired. Thus, no raises until we get a new contract.

So your answer is basically "because nothing expires except the pay scale". I'm asking what's the logic behind this if it's not being used as coercion.

 

[CoolStoryBro]

So your answer is basically "because nothing expires except the pay scale". I'm asking what's the logic behind this if it's not being used as coercion.

I give up with you.

 

[Mugarolla]

I give up with you.

I'll try.

Under the 2013-2018 contract, the one that we are working under since it has been extended, there was no negotiated pay raise effective August 1, 2018, so we did not get a raise.

Our last and final raise negotiated under this contract, the one we are working under, was February 1, 2018.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

I have a question for the geniuses here. When a contract expires, why is it that we continue obeying the entire contract EXCEPT for the scheduled pay raise?

Don't worry, you'll get retroactive pay.

 

[Superteeth2478]

Don't worry, you'll get retroactive pay.

Speaking of that, now there are stewards in my building going around telling people they won't get retro pay if it's voted down because it's being voted down for "non-economic" issues...some hardcore scare tactics, or what?

 

[Brown287]

Speaking of that, now there are stewards in my building going around telling people they won't get retro pay if it's voted down because it's being voted down for "non-economic" issues...some hardcore scare tactics, or what?

“Non economic” issues.....according to who?!?! Your BA is feeding your steward BS!!!!

 

[Superteeth2478]

“Non economic” issues.....according to who?!?! Your BA is feeding your steward BS!!!!

Man, none of the they were saying sounded right, and I didn't believe it for a second. That "non-economic issues" BS just sounded like something they were saying to justify the "no backpay" scenario, because just saying there won't be backpay doesn't make sense and they needed an explanation. It just sounds like a ridiculous scare tactic.

 

[IGotARock]

Speaking of that, now there are stewards in my building going around telling people they won't get retro pay if it's voted down because it's being voted down for "non-economic" issues...some hardcore scare tactics, or what?

How would anyone know what the reasons were for voting down a contract? Maybe they are economic. How can anyone know?

 

[Mugarolla]

Speaking of that, now there are stewards in my building going around telling people they won't get retro pay if it's voted down because it's being voted down for "non-economic" issues...some hardcore scare tactics, or what?

If the contract is voted down, there is a chance that we would not get retro pay, but that chance is relatively minimal.

It is possible that on the next offer, and if accepted, or impossed, the raise would go into effect on the date of ratification, and not be retroactive back to August 1.

Again, I say not very likely, but it is a possibility that cannot be entirely ruled out.

No one knows at this time for sure.

 

[Indecisi0n]

I'll try.

Under the 2013-2018 contract, the one that we are working under since it has been extended, there was no negotiated pay raise effective August 1, 2018, so we did not get a raise.

Our last and final raise negotiated under this contract, the one we are working under, was February 1, 2018.

There is always one know-it-all in the group.

 

[Mugarolla]

There is always one know-it-all in the group.

Not me.

In fact, I just gave @Pickles an answer based on our local practice without double checking the Supplement.

I had to correct myself with the language from the Central Region Supplement.

 

[Indecisi0n]

Not me.

In fact, I just gave @Pickles an answer based on our local practice without double checking the Supplement.

I had to correct myself with the language from the Central Region Supplement.

There is always that one guy who thinks he knows the contract but in reality doesn't know .

 

[MenInBrown]

We will get retro pay. Vote NO

 

[PT Car Washer]

We will get retro pay. Vote NO

Only if we get a raise. If the contract is renegotiated because it was turned down we could lose the raises and pension increases in exchange for eliminating the 22.4 language.

 

[BakerMayfield2018]

Only if we get a raise. If the contract is renegotiated because it was turned down we could lose the raises and pension increases in exchange for eliminating the 22.4 language.

Your out of your got damn mind if you think we would ever except that bs. Lmfao!!!

 

[BakerMayfield2018]

eliminate the raises. Lmfao!!!!!

 

[PT Car Washer]

Your out of your got damn mind if you think we would ever except that bs. Lmfao!!!

You are out of your mind if you think we are going to risk our pension increases for a bunch of guys who don't even work here yet.