22.3 advice

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

We had a driver who just scored a 22.3
Had about 8 years FT seniority. He was shocked he got the call. I know they are no OT. 8 and skate every day. Not for me. I love me OT

$6-8/hr pay cut.

 

[GetTacosOrDieTrying]

$6-8/hr pay cut.

At that point I wouldn't even bother. OT is rare. Might as well take it if you can.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

At that point I wouldn't even bother. OT is rare. Might as well take it if you can.

I guess it depends upon where you are in your career and what your financial position is.

 

[FrigidAdCorrector]

If they like you you'll get it faster over other seniority people.. It has happened. But like the other folks said most likely you'll be waiting awhile.

How can someone with less seniority get it?

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

If they like you you'll get it faster over other seniority people.. It has happened. But like the other folks said most likely you'll be waiting awhile.

Wrong!

 

[GetTacosOrDieTrying]

Well lets say employee A. Has 5 years seniority and employee B. Has 2. Say employee A. Just does enough work to please mgmt and always is causing them a issue with complaining and or going to union. Employee B. Doesn't complain ,puts in extra effert and does dubs to help out more. There's a good chance employee B will get it.

 

[GetTacosOrDieTrying]

Its happened at my hub.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Well lets say employee A. Has 5 years seniority and employee B. Has 2. Say employee A. Just does enough work to please mgmt and always is causing them a issue with complaining and or going to union. Employee B. Doesn't complain ,puts in extra effert and does dubs to help out more. There's a good chance employee B will get it.

Nope.

 

[GetTacosOrDieTrying]

Nope.

I've seen it and been told by other 22.3's the person just doesn't know they are getting boned on seniority.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

If both employees are qualified to bid the one with more seniority will get the position.

 

[FrigidAdCorrector]

Well lets say employee A. Has 5 years seniority and employee B. Has 2. Say employee A. Just does enough work to please mgmt and always is causing them a issue with complaining and or going to union. Employee B. Doesn't complain ,puts in extra effert and does dubs to help out more. There's a good chance employee B will get it.

Yeah we can't do that. There would be a grievance filed so fast it would make the FT's head spin.

 

[GetTacosOrDieTrying]

If both employees are qualified to bid the one with more seniority will get the position.

That's how it should work.

 

[ManInBrown]

$6-8/hr pay cut.

Not here it's not. Steward announced in weekly meeting "So and So is gone. Took a 22.3. No pay cut, but only 8 hours a day. NO OT." Almost 100% positive he said no pay cut. I could be wrong but I don't think so.

 

[GetTacosOrDieTrying]

Yeah we can't do that. There would be a grievance filed so fast it would make the FT's head spin.

That's the thing. They just domt approve of the undesirable employee to get

If both employees are qualified to bid the one with more seniority will get the position.

i suppose they state the other person isnt qualified and thats how it happens

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

The amount of misinformation and disinformation in this thread baffles me.

Bid jobs are awarded by seniority only.

22.3 jobs have a much lower pay rate than FT driver position (at top rate).

 

[ManInBrown]

Would 22.3 be considered "all others" when looking at contract wage schedule for different positions? Just looked at contract here. There is no wage for 22.3, but there is an all others. If so its 3 bucks and change between FT package. $2.84 an hour to be exact

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Nope.

 

[burrheadd]

Well lets say employee A. Has 5 years seniority and employee B. Has 2. Say employee A. Just does enough work to please mgmt and always is causing them a issue with complaining and or going to union. Employee B. Doesn't complain ,puts in extra effert and does dubs to help out more. There's a good chance employee B will get it.

 

[Northbaypkg]

Well lets say employee A. Has 5 years seniority and employee B. Has 2. Say employee A. Just does enough work to please mgmt and always is causing them a issue with complaining and or going to union. Employee B. Doesn't complain ,puts in extra effert and does dubs to help out more. There's a good chance employee B will get it.

The only way that would happen is if employee A is so ignorant he doesn't notice that the bid he signed was filled by a lesser seniority person. Even then, it wouldn't be like those are the only two folks that signed it. Someone in there would notice that a lower seniority person got it and file a grievance with a quickness. Management would have to be real gutsy and stupid to try to get away with something like that.

 

[FrigidAdCorrector]

The only way that would happen is if employee A is so ignorant he doesn't notice that the bid he signed was filled by a lesser seniority person. Even then, it wouldn't be like those are the only two folks that signed it. Someone in there would notice that a lower seniority person got it and file a grievance with a quickness. Management would have to be realkt gutsy and stupid to try to get away with something like that.

Either that or employee A didn't meet the qualification of the bid.