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[MrFedEx]

Economic illiterates like you can never grasp the fact that as those in the lower paying jobs acquire skills and experience, they move up into better paying jobs. As for the enlightenment I've got an undergrad degree in economics and half of my graduate work in the same field. I don't think I'll need your help.

OK, so when everyone moves up, who does the low-paid grunt work that provides the bulk of profit? Plus, there are many people who will never move up, either due to lack of opportunity or the basic structure of most businesses. The top of the pyramid is very small compared to the base.

I have a minor in Economics and my graduate degree is in a business field. Capitalism requires an underclass, plain and simple. Look at FedEx Ground, the perfect example of how the underclass is exploited for cheap labor and also an example of subsidized labor, because taxpayers pay for it when the Ground employee without benefits fails to insure their vehicle, or goes to the ER for medical care.

Your arguments are typical GOP excuses for the true manner in which capitalism operates.

 

[TUT]

Right and the underclass does except this, has no problem with boss man making more, that is all part of the dream and how they accept capitalism. But they also need a fair livable wage and beni's that also affords them some niceties in life. That right there makes a happy person and country, eos.

But the Wall Street setup doesn't allow for that, it is predicated on growth and when that isn't there then savings to keep ratios in line. Savings means pinching everyone and everything, it then becomes a mentality even when times are good, because you know... times can be bad again, so we want to always be prepared. You here it from your CEO, it's standard fair everywhere now.

It's basic math and economics. I've felt with the profits being thrown around there is a way to keep the rich filthy rich and keep the masses in a better place then they are now and by doing so the masses will spend more to keep the balling rolling faster and longer. The only group that loses here is Wall Street, that isn't maximizing their needs. But in my picture so many more people are satisfied overall. It is pretty much what Bernie is selling. It isn't communism or socialism, it's trying to satisfy more people than less.

 

[59 Dano]

OK, so when everyone moves up, who does the low-paid grunt work that provides the bulk of profit? Plus, there are many people who will never move up, either due to lack of opportunity or the basic structure of most businesses. The top of the pyramid is very small compared to the base.

The reason most won't move up is because they choose not to or they have already hit their ceiling, plain and simple. If they don't want to for whatever reason, that's their business.

I have a minor in Economics and my graduate degree is in a business field. Capitalism requires an underclass, plain and simple.

LOL!! It requires no such thing, even in theory.

 

[bacha29]

Dano: you are simply repeating what you have said all along. If you are not rich it's your fault. It is also basic platform of the GOP along with the assertion that if we continue to make the rich richer things will be better for everyone. It's a ageing message that's starting to wear on the patience of the American voters and come November we'll see if they are still willing to give it more time.

 

[MrFedEx]

The reason most won't move up is because they choose not to or they have already hit their ceiling, plain and simple. If they don't want to for whatever reason, that's their business.



LOL!! It requires no such thing, even in theory.

There's only one way you hit the ceiling. Keep trying, and make sure you don't get a friction burn. As bacha29 said, trickle-down is more like trickled-upon, and "the ceiling" is different for those born already behind the 8-ball.

Let's compare a poor Hispanic immigrant with The Weasel. One is born rich and inherits a huge estate, while the other has nothing. Daddy paid for The Weasel to go to Yale, but our immigrant has to bootstrap his way to maybe even go to college.

Under your theory, everyone can be rich if they just try hard enough. Really? Do the math and please tell me how things would be if everyone was a millionaire, which you are essentially saying is possible. Who does the labor and builds the products? The very nature of capitalism requires worker bees who produce something, either a product or a service which results in a profit for the business owner. Even if everyone went to Yale and tried their hardest, you'd still need someone to do the grunt work.

In Republican/Libertarian mantra thought, we can all be rich, yet it is mathematically (and logically) impossible to be so in a capitalist or any other system. It is a pyramid, not a square where everyone is equal.

 

[Cactus]

Fred probably tells Dano what to post here.

 

[59 Dano]

Dano: you are simply repeating what you have said all along. If you are not rich it's your fault.

Well, whose fault is it?

 

[59 Dano]

Under your theory, everyone can be rich if they just try hard enough.

I didn't say that, and thus, the rest of your dumb hand-picked example is irrelevant. Try again. C'mon, make more excuses.

 

[Indecisi0n]

This goes well beyond "are we losing Amazon". Rather, is Amazon going to enter the package transportation business full-scale or just dip their toe in the water? Here's what we already know:
1. Amazon has 20 767 freighters on lease and just ordered 20 more.

2. Atlas Air has been contracted to operate the aircraft and probably ground support. A well-known, non-union operator that also has it own fleet of freighters.

3. Amazon is actively looking to purchase a hub airport, probably first in Europe. Several weeks ago they were in negotiations to buy the Frankfurt facility. I have not heard the end result.

4. Jeff Bezos has been openly displeased with both FedEx and UPS.

When you lease 40 planes, that isn't an idle threat, although it is a small fleet in comparison to both FedEx and UPS. What if Bezos leases 200 planes, and decides to create several hubs? I think he's smart enough to stay out of the full-scale ops that we run, so perhaps much of the volume will go USPS, which is located everywhere already and charges less than either FedEx or UPS. Plus, the Amazon distribution center network continues to expand, negating the need for interstate transport for many orders.

While it's true that Amazon receives a huge discount, Fred is making big money on volume. The net profit on each package is small compared to someone paying full ticket, but there are many more packages.

Bezos is very smart, and he will save the garbage for us and take the premium services (and revenue) for himself. The new generation wants their stuff in 5 minutes, and is willing to pay whatever it takes to have that new device or toy today instead of tomorrow. Not very smart, but it's their money, and Bezos "gets it".

I see big changes down the road.

We need a yawn icon.

 

[MrFedEx]

I didn't say that, and thus, the rest of your dumb hand-picked example is irrelevant. Try again. C'mon, make more excuses.

Actually, you pretty much made the standard Horatio Alger "bootstrapping" argument, which is pure garbage. If my hand-picked example tries hard enough, he should be as successful as The Weasel.

Republicans suck.

 

[MrFedEx]

We need a yawn icon.

We need a "Don't read my posts if you're going to be a smart ass" icon.

 

[Indecisi0n]

We need a "Don't read my posts if you're going to be a smart ass" icon.

What would that icon look like?

 

[59 Dano]

What would that icon look like?

 

[59 Dano]

Actually, you pretty much made the standard Horatio Alger "bootstrapping" argument, which is pure garbage. If my hand-picked example tries hard enough, he should be as successful as The Weasel.

Republicans suck.

Sorry that you're a loser, MF. I'm sure you'll find plenty of excuses for it.

 

[MrFedEx]

Sorry that you're a loser, MF. I'm sure you'll find plenty of excuses for it.

Let's compare net worth and see who the loser is? That's pretty ballsy for someone who is supposedly a FedEx Ops Manager, the epitome of a loser.

 

[59 Dano]

Let's compare net worth and see who the loser is? That's pretty ballsy for someone who is supposedly a FedEx Ops Manager, the epitome of a loser.

Oh, so you're going to be honest about your net worth... anonymously... on the internet? ROTFLMAO!!!

Do you ever get tired of lying about all of the changes that are coming, tired of lying about your imminent departure from FedEx, tired of lying about why it didn't happen, tired of being "that guy" with all kinds of wealth and other income who just can't seem to walk away from a job that isn't worth it? When you can never admit to having been wrong, when you blame others for it on the rare occasion you can't avoid it, when you have crafted such a pristine and perfect online persona that you have to go through such ridiculous lengths to protect it -- you've got issues.

So, my net worth? I'm much happier than you'll ever be. Interpret it however you like.

When did I ever say I was (or wasn't) a manager? You've accused me of being everything but a pilot.

 

[outtatime]

Let's compare net worth and see who the loser is? That's pretty ballsy for someone who is supposedly a FedEx Ops Manager, the epitome of a loser.

Ah, the internet version of "wanna go outside so I can beat you up". What a .

 

[vantexan]

Oh, so you're going to be honest about your net worth... anonymously... on the internet? ROTFLMAO!!!

Do you ever get tired of lying about all of the changes that are coming, tired of lying about your imminent departure from FedEx, tired of lying about why it didn't happen, tired of being "that guy" with all kinds of wealth and other income who just can't seem to walk away from a job that isn't worth it? When you can never admit to having been wrong, when you blame others for it on the rare occasion you can't avoid it, when you have crafted such a pristine and perfect online persona that you have to go through such ridiculous lengths to protect it -- you've got issues.

So, my net worth? I'm much happier than you'll ever be. Interpret it however you like.

When did I ever say I was (or wasn't) a manager? You've accused me of being everything but a pilot.

You have your head up your ass so we just assumed.

 

[MrFedEx]

Oh, so you're going to be honest about your net worth... anonymously... on the internet? ROTFLMAO!!!

Do you ever get tired of lying about all of the changes that are coming, tired of lying about your imminent departure from FedEx, tired of lying about why it didn't happen, tired of being "that guy" with all kinds of wealth and other income who just can't seem to walk away from a job that isn't worth it? When you can never admit to having been wrong, when you blame others for it on the rare occasion you can't avoid it, when you have crafted such a pristine and perfect online persona that you have to go through such ridiculous lengths to protect it -- you've got issues.

So, my net worth? I'm much happier than you'll ever be. Interpret it however you like.

When did I ever say I was (or wasn't) a manager? You've accused me of being everything but a pilot.

A manager at FedEx is almost invariably a loser. You've already compromised your principles to become one, and then you're Fred's little biotch sent packing on GAP Report patrol, Time Card Squad, and the like. To become one of Fred's little taskmasters is the definition of a loser. If you really are a manager, I feel sorry for you, your family, and the employees who have to work for you. You sound like a typical manager...ill-informed, always pro-company, and willing to lie like a rug and throw honest workers under the FedEx bus.

You're always telling us what a good Christian you are. How does your Christianity square with the way FedEx does business, and how they fueck people over and over at every opportunity?That seems like hypocrisy to me, or perhaps rationalization that what you do isn't who you are. But it is who you are...a loser.

You assume I'm unhappy, but that would only be in regards to FedEx, not life in general. I have a wonderful wife and family and a real job in real estate that makes me comfortably well-off. I've said many times that what I truly value is my family and friends. You are the one saying I'm a "loser", and since your criteria seems to be money, I threw out net worth.

Being a "manager" makes you a loser, but being a shill for the Evil One makes you a double loser.

 

[bacha29]

Denial 59, I'm sorry I'll get it right Dano 59 calls himself a Christian only because he thinks Fred S Is God.