Diesel fuel shortage: Why is no one talking about this?

vantexan

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OPEC has denied that there's any truth to that story. At the same time I'm not surprised that you guys are paying absolutely zero attention to a bigger story.....BP Rotterdam......BP Rotterdam is the largest refinery in Europe and it makes a whole lot of diesel. It has been offline since September due to some type of major breakdown. In the meantime agreement on a new union contract could not be achieved and the sides are far apart. Earlier today the union having given plenty of advanced warning went on strike.
Germany lost 40% of its natural gas supply with the Russian war. If they can't replace it at a reasonable cost their manufacturing will collapse.
 

bacha29

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Why isn't Biden doing anything about the Rotterdam refinery? Another Democratic fail! Trump would have fixed it is he was president!
-MAGAs
When the Netherlands becomes our 51st state I'm sure than Don Jr. who will be appointed president for life by his predecessor president for life Orange Man will by executive order launch a full scale invasion of the Netherlands to capture BP Rotterdam.
 

bacha29

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Germany lost 40% of its natural gas supply with the Russian war. If they can't replace it at a reasonable cost their manufacturing will collapse.
According to public reports released a couple of weeks ago EU LNG storage capacity was at 93% full . They say they have enough for this winter. Oh don't worry the LNG shipping industry will keep them supplied. Their problem is slow, outdated and undersized offloading facilities. In fact the other day there was a report out stating that there were 60 LNG tankers anchored offshore waiting to get offloaded.

The challenge facing Central and Western Europe this winter will be power. The nuclear plants in Ukraine currently under attack from Russia generates 30 % of Europe's electric power. The tremendous productivity of that little nation is astounding. NATO should have told the Russians to go pound salt decades ago and joined up with Ukraine. But like they say, if only we knew then what we know now.
 

vantexan

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According to public reports released a couple of weeks ago EU LNG storage capacity was at 93% full . They say they have enough for this winter. Oh don't worry the LNG shipping industry will keep them supplied. Their problem is slow, outdated and undersized offloading facilities. In fact the other day there was a report out stating that there were 60 LNG tankers anchored offshore waiting to get offloaded.

The challenge facing Central and Western Europe this winter will be power. The nuclear plants in Ukraine currently under attack from Russia generates 30 % of Europe's electric power. The tremendous productivity of that little nation is astounding. NATO should have told the Russians to go pound salt decades ago and joined up with Ukraine. But like they say, if only we knew then what we know now.
Where in the world are you getting that? 10% of Europe's electricity comes from nuclear, and most of that is from EU nuclear plants.

What you aren't getting about their LNG supply....it's coming from spot market prices. Going forward it's going to cost them an arm and a leg which will severely damage Germany's manufacturing. Plants are already being shut down.
 

bacha29

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Let's set the record straight. According to the USEIA the US has a 25 day supply of distillate fuel in STORAGE during the first week in November which is down about 10% from the same period last year. Now is does not include the amount of diesel currently being refined on a daily basis or the finished distillate being imported.

It's all public information. Why don't you try using it for once?

Now the thing to keep an eye on is what OPEC decides to do in it's meeting the first week of December.

There is no doubt that thanks to the Ukraine war supplies will be tight . But given that the airlines are so booked up and the skies so crowded that the FAA has had to open up air space reserved for the military to the airlines in an effort to assist in the anticipated record travel nobody seems too worried about having to pay quite a bit more.
 

vantexan

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Why is Germany suddenly the beneficiary of all your worry? Do you trade Euros? It's been gaining strength in recent days Are you afraid that it will cave in to Putin's blackmail? Moreover, Germany has contributed minimal military support to Ukraine. Scholz is big on talk but to this point has been small on actual military equipment. In fact the US has contributed more than twice as much military hardware and material support to Ukraine than all the other EU nations combined. So Germany ain't going broke by any means.

That's what you get when you're just sitting there all day long watching Fox News. Pretty soon they'll have you so afraid of everything that you'll even be afraid of your own shadow.
My info isn't coming from FOX. You should be worried about Germany because it's the driving force behind the EU economy. That kind of collapse can cause a worldwide contagion. Has nothing to do with what it is or isn't contributing to Ukraine. By the way the Ukrainians have captured more weaponry from the Russians than the West has given them so far. Might want to start holding back some of those billions.
 

bacha29

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My info isn't coming from FOX. You should be worried about Germany because it's the driving force behind the EU economy. That kind of collapse can cause a worldwide contagion. Has nothing to do with what it is or isn't contributing to Ukraine. By the way the Ukrainians have captured more weaponry from the Russians than the West has given them so far. Might want to start holding back some of those billions.
Why should Ukraine have to depend on captured Russian equipment in the first place in order to defend it's territory? it's because the EU is afraid that Putin would expand the war into NATO territory and therefore it's support is in words only. For years there has been doubts and Trump to his credit made them public regarding the strength of the commitment by European nations to defend it's territory instead believing that the US would protect them with little effort on their part. In fact NATO charter requires that member nations contribute 2% of their GDP toward the cost of maintaining NATO operations Germany for the year 2021? 1.49% . Well below charter requirements.

That's pretty back when you compare it to Greece who contributes 3% of it's GDP.

Perhaps the ghost of Neville Chamberlain is still making the rounds through Western Europe.
 

vantexan

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Why should Ukraine have to depend on captured Russian equipment in the first place in order to defend it's territory? it's because the EU is afraid that Putin would expand the war into NATO territory and therefore it's support is in words only. For years there has been doubts and Trump to his credit made them public regarding the strength of the commitment by European nations to defend it's territory instead believing that the US would protect them with little effort on their part. In fact NATO charter requires that member nations contribute 2% of their GDP toward the cost of maintaining NATO operations Germany for the year 2021? 1.49% . Well below charter requirements.

That's pretty back when you compare it to Greece who contributes 3% of it's GDP.

Perhaps the ghost of Neville Chamberlain is still making the rounds through Western Europe.
Russia has been totally exposed by the Ukrainians. They won't be invading Europe or anywhere else. As I said Ukraine has already captured more than double the equipment from Russia than has been supplied by the West. There's no need to keep giving billions more to our military/industrial complex to build them weapons. Oh, right, the military/industrial complex donates mega millions to campaign coffers. Yep, out of one war, into another to keep making profits. At least our troops aren't in this one(yet).
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
My info isn't coming from FOX. You should be worried about Germany because it's the driving force behind the EU economy. That kind of collapse can cause a worldwide contagion. Has nothing to do with what it is or isn't contributing to Ukraine. By the way the Ukrainians have captured more weaponry from the Russians than the West has given them so far. Might want to start holding back some of those billions.
If Germany's economy stops does that mean all the immigrants will finally go home ?
 

bbsam

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Staff member
You can take it to extremes if you like, but come winter when usage is up and supplies are low we'll know where we stand.
The extremes you speak of include republicans attempting to scare people into believing that we would be out in d diesel fuel by Thanksgiving.

By the way, that was yesterday and we didn’t run out of diesel fuel.
 

vantexan

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The extremes you speak of include republicans attempting to scare people into believing that we would be out in d diesel fuel by Thanksgiving.

By the way, that was yesterday and we didn’t run out of diesel fuel.
Have you noticed the price of diesel? Why do you think it's so high?
 

bbsam

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Staff member
Have you noticed the price of diesel? Why do you think it's so high?

Simple supply and demand. It has affected my operations as I moved my manager from the Ford diesel to the Chevy gasser. Filled the gasser up for $2.89 the other day. Diesel was still hovering around $5.
 

vantexan

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