Danny...1st of all, counting every 5 packages as 1 package would distort the total number of packages picked up by you and the Center and the District, and the Region, and Corp. Now, as for giving the the correct planned time for that day, you must understand how your planned day is calculated. It is based on what should have happened at that stop, useing the proper methods, on the day of the time study. The allowance is based on that. How you count the number of packages depends on how the allowance was developed. The planned time for that stop is dependent on the number of walks required, if a carry aid should have been used, if the packages are loaded thru the bulkhead or rear door, the number of times you must unlock the door, if an elevator is requiired,and all other stepts required to competehe stop useing the proper methods, not what you actually do if not useing proper methods. Once the allowance is developed, it must be determined how to apply it on a daily basis. Since the per package allowance is a constant, regardless of an individual stops characteristics, it remains for the stop allowance to account for the variances in the number of packages picked up on a daily basis to give the correct planned time. If it's determined to base the daily allowed time on a raito of 5 pkgs for every pkg, the stop allowance is increased to reflect this and the package allowance remains a the national allowance .If the actual number of packages is to be counted, then the stop allowance is "watered down" to give the correct planned time for that stop and the package allowance remains constant. In both cases, the correct planned time is allowed. However, as I stated before, using a ratio distorts the total number of packages picked up............................ D Man....As in dannys example, an understanding of how allowances are developed will answer you questions and give you an understanding of your planned time. I suggest you have an I.E. person, experienced in time study, give a presentation. I've been retired for several years, I began as a package driver ( service provider as now refered to). I delivered for over six years bfore going into management. I was a center manager for six years (business manager), and in I.E. for 20 years. During my time as an I.E. manager, I held countless time study schools, training managers, supervisors, and yes, drivers in how time studies are conducted and the allowances developed. Work measurement is not that big of a mystery once it's explained and demonstrated how accurate it is.