Future of Unions?

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by Rain Shield, Apr 12, 2015.

  1. Rain Shield

    Rain Shield Member

    Where will we be in 20 years? Technology is taking away "Blue Collar" jobs daily. Are we sitting on our hands by not going after the low tech jobs? Should we be starting relationships with the tech schools?

    I see the current "Union Jobs" disappearing. Sure, there will always be blue collar jobs, but will there be enough to sustain the Unions.

    I really think we are blind to the future of what we should be moving toward as far as what future membership should look like.

    Is it too late?
     
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  2. barnyard

    barnyard KTM rider Staff Member

    Union growth has historically been greatest during robber baron eras. We are deep in a robber baron era right now. We should be seeing explosive union growth in service industries, fast food jobs and the like. The biggest thing. currently preventing it is politicians.

    I really believe that the best way we can support the union movement is to campaign for pro union candidates.
     
  3. Lead Belly

    Lead Belly BANNED

    Republicans have been attacking unions for years with right to work. Right to work needs to be repealed. Either that or we need to come up with legislation called right to not represent. Workers who work in a union shop should not be getting services that other dues paying members receive. Either they should not get the same as a dues paying member or they shouldn't be able to work for a union company and receive Union benefits.

    To many poor to middle income people think they are republican or sympathize with their ideals. The divide between rich and poor is far to great for the people of this country to be voting and siding with these republican ideals.
     
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  4. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt You can call me Chappy Staff Member

    Robber Barons were people or trusts that formed monopolies by eliminating competition.
    Todays environment is anything but Robber Barons.
    Perhaps we can come up with a term for Wal-Marts of the Corporate world.
    Additionally, the era of RBs was prior to the "socialisation" of the United States with all the various Social and welfare programs.
    I do agree that service industries is the area of growth for Unions.
     
  5. Rain Shield

    Rain Shield Member

    I do believe there should be more organizing.

    The problem I do have is when I hear that minimum wage should be $15.00 per hour and I see my Union at these rallies.

    Let the Government get it to $15.00 per hour, which will not happen, and I believe the Union is shooting itself in the foot.

    Why would someone want to join a Union when they see that their protests worked.

    The Union should be organizing, then get the members what they want.

    When I see my Union Officials at these rallies I think how stupid can you be.
     
  6. rod

    rod retired and happy

    The Teamster Union is toast. If you need any more proof just read whats posted on the BC. Its every man for himself now
     
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  7. Ron Carey lives on

    Ron Carey lives on Well-Known Member

    Bc doesn't represent all teamsters, there are teamsters everywhere are fighting for others and fighting "right to work for less"

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  8. Lead Belly

    Lead Belly BANNED

    This isn't even close to 1 percent of the teamster Union. It's hardly 1percent of ups's teamsters.
     
  9. barnyard

    barnyard KTM rider Staff Member

    What about banks that are 'too big to fail'??? You know, the industry that was the cause of the last depression.
     
  10. rod

    rod retired and happy


    My point was that there is no unity in the UPS workforce now. Its every man for themselves. Without unity the Teamster Union is toast. That and all the new right to work legislation spells the end of the Teamsters.
     
  11. wage EARNER

    wage EARNER Member

    There is no unity in the UPS workforce because the leadership in many locals are too busy cutting deals for themselves and a handful of their buddies. Many locals are more like country clubs than labor unions.

    Fifteen years ago, my part-time sort had dozens of people getting disciplined for the same minor infractions. I asked the BA why he doesn't roll all this discipline into one case and get the monkey off the member's back. He preferred to handle each case individually. And that is the problem. Even the leadership thinks of every case as an "individual" and not as a "union".
     
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  12. wage EARNER

    wage EARNER Member

    The banks did what the democrats in Congress forced them to do. They loaned money to people who could not otherwise qualify and could not make the payments. Barney Frank is one of the main culprits in the collapse. It is those kind of wreckless policies which cause working class people to vote for those they perceive to be conservative.
     
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  13. oldngray

    oldngray nowhere special

    And the Democrats try to blame Bush when it was the Democratic Congress causing the bank crisis.
     
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  14. Bubblehead

    Bubblehead My Senior Picture

    The Democrats in Congress forced the banks how?
    What happened in the banking industry was bi-partisan and they all made money hand over fist in the short term.
    They couldn't build houses fast enough and this ill-gotten booty matriculated throughout the country's entire economic infrastructure.
    In the long term, those in "the know" got out, before we the middle class were left to clean up the mess and shoulder the full burden of the cleanup.

    If you believe the Republicans opposed what was going on in the banking industry at the turn of the century, then you probably believe that they really care about abortion and the right to bear arms also?
     
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  15. The Other Side

    The Other Side Well-Known Troll Troll

    OMG, why do people keep saying this? I am sure if I asked you to demonstrate what barney frank did to cause the collapse of the housing market, you wouldnt be able to come up with anything other than a sound bite from fox news telling you something this stupid.

    How about you research the President George W. Bush's "home ownership society" in 2001 and see what the president detailed and ordered that caused the housing collapse in 2005.


    I am always amazed how gulible people are with lame information.

    TOS.
     
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  16. The Other Side

    The Other Side Well-Known Troll Troll

    Another misinformed american willing to repeat what he doesnt know is baloney.

    TOS.
     
  17. The Other Side

    The Other Side Well-Known Troll Troll

    The good union jobs all left starting with Reagan, Bush 1 and the majority of those jobs left during Bush 2. Over 55,000 factories closed and moved out of the country during the BUSH administration and that killed our middle class blue collar security.

    Its been republican policies that have killed not only the middle class, but hard working americans in general. Turning this country into a service industry nation has only increased the working poor and devalued the middle class american.

    Bad trade deals and the outsourcing of goods and manufacturing has ruined our country, yet, the republicans even today continue to try and make more trade deals that include the outsourcing of even more jobs to south america and the pacific rim.

    Its pretty clear if you are willing to truly pay attention, that the intended goal is to eliminate unions and drive down wages and salaries of the american worker. These GOP tactics are intended to keep people in the debt society as to prevent them from moving up and replacing them.

    The rich oligarchs of this country pull all the strings of the republicans in congress and the senate.

    Just look at the funding of todays first three republican candidates. This next race will be the most expensive presidential race in history thanks to Citizens United.

    I find it puzzling how any hard working middle class american could vote for a political party doing everything it can to bring them down in the workplace.

    TOS.
     
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  18. Yet NAFTA was signed into law by a democrat who said
    "NAFTA means jobs. American jobs, and good-paying American jobs. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement." Hmmm....
    I'm sure Hillary is doing just fine in the funding department.
    No it's thanks to lobbyists. It's funny you mention this. Obama in the last election cycle raised over a billion dollars. Republicans just under a billion.
    http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/campaign-finance

    Unions need better leadership. I'm sorry but the Teamster leadership is failing you guys.
     
  19. box_beeyotch

    box_beeyotch Well-Known Member

    I have a buddy who is an union elevator mechanic, clears six figures every year. I have another buddy who's a union electrician and also clears six. Their are still very strong unions out there, but from what I can gather in my center, there are a few guys who are all about themselves and cheating the system as they can, but the vast majority are willing to help their brothers/sisters out. I do agree that we need better organization and thicker skin as members, but most of the newer employees don't even bother to read the fine print.
     
  20. Lead Belly

    Lead Belly BANNED

    You had me at "The Democratics in Congress forced the banks how?