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http://www.ijreview.com/2014/06/146...-questionable-entries/#PrettyPhoto[146537]/0/

 

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A good guy with gun gets shot in the back because he has no idea WTF is going down.

Situational awareness.

I'd rather die fighting than on my knees begging for my life.

Your odds of surviving a gunfight increase dramatically if you have a gun of your own versus a fist with some skin on it.

 

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wo men are dead in Ionia, Michigan after a road rage incident escalated into a shootout Wednesday. Police say that James Pullum, 43, and Robert Taylor, 56 apparently argued after Taylor became enraged over something that occurred while driving though the details are not clear as to exactly what precipitated the incident.

Witnesses say that Pullum who had his wife and mother in the vehicle with him pulled into the parking lot of a car wash and Taylor who was at the time tailgating him followed him in. Both men exited their vehicles and began to argue as the argument escalated, Taylor pulled his gun and began to fire. Pullum, who was also carrying a gun, drew his and returned fire. Both men apparently died at the scene.

Pullums mother-in-law says that her son-in-law was protecting his family and that he was a “great person, a great family man and a great businessman.” He owned a service station in Ionia. Other details are vague and police say they are having difficulty piecing together what happened since both men are dead. They also said that both men had concealed carry permits and were legally carrying their weapons.

While it may be true — as the NRA says — that a good man with a gun can stop a bad man with a gun, they fail to mention that both may die in the process.

 

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MASS SHOOTINGS IN 2014
NumberDateAlleged ShooterKilledWoundedLocation
11/1/2014Unknown22Norfolk, VA
21/3/2014Unknown13New York (Queens), NY
31/4/2014Leonard “Frank” Harris Jr22Rock Falls, IL
41/5/2014Unknown13Erie, OH
51/5/2014Unknown04Atlanta, Ga
61/12/2014Unknown05Elgin, Il
71/12/2014Unknown05Huntsville, AL
81/12/2014Unknown04Portland, OR
91/14/2014Unknown04Los Angeles, CA
101/16/2014Unknown14Ardmore, OK
111/16/2014Unknown22Fresno, CA
121/16/2014Joshua Boren50Spanish Fork, UT
131/20/2014Jeremiah Eugene Pullen04Manassas, VI
141/21/2014Unknown23Newark, NJ
151/25/2014Unknown04Belle Glade, FL
161/25/2014Unknown14Chicago, IL
171/27/2014Unknown04Rocky Mount, NC
181/27/2014Unknown14Seattle, WA
191/28/2014Darion Marcus Aguilar35Baltimore, MD
201/28/2014Unknown05Milwaukee, WI
212/2/2014Andrew Parish32Franklin, IL
222/3/2014Unknown40Cypress, TX
232/5/2014Earl Edward Clauge Jr.13Perry, FL
242/6/2014Unknown13Chicago, IL
252/6/2014Robert Garza Sr.40Defiance, OH
262/7/2014Unknown04New Orleans, LA
272/12/2014Unknown05Gary, IN
282/12/2014Unknown13Oakland, CA
292/12/2014Unknown13Stockton, Ca
302/15/2014Peter Andrade05Las Vegas, NV
312/15/2014Unknown05Fort Wayne, In
322/16/2014Unknown13Saginaw, Mi
332/16/2014Unknown14Fort Worth, Tx
342/16/2014Unknown14Jacksonville, Fl
352/16/2014Unknown16Dallas, Tx
362/16/2014Unknown16Pine Hills, FL
372/18/2014Unknown06Fort Lauderdale, Fl
382/20/2014Cherie Lash Rhoades42Alturas, Ca
392/20/2014James Anthony Chin, Christian Eduardo Menrano-Ramirez and Richard Brody Thompson012St. Petersburg, FL
402/20/2014Andrew Sizemore40Indianapolis, IN
412/23/2014Unknown04Wilmington, CA
422/24/2014Unknown41Glade Spring, VA
432/26/2014John Conta Jr.40Oak Lawn, IL
443/3/2014Xzavier Tyrone Mazyck04Detroit, Mi
453/5/2014Jared Michael Williams, and Hope Phillips31Pelzer, NC
463/8/2014Unknown13Richmond, Ca
473/9/2014Unknown04Milwaukee, WI
483/9/2014Patrick Calhoun06Chicago, IL
493/9/2014Igmidio Mista31Fremont, OH
503/14/2014Two Unknown04Brooklyn, NY
513/16/2014Joe Frederick Hawkins31Beaumont, TX
523/16/2014Tacorey Lamon Lakes, Brandell Shaquael Little, and Unknown04Waynsboro, GA
533/22/2014Antonio Marcel Flenoid04Sikeston, Mo
543/22/2014Unknown04North Charlston, SC
553/23/2014Alvin Bell13Arlington, TX
563/24/2014Unknown07San Francisco, CA
573/24/2014Unknown13Long Beach, CA
584/3/2014Ivan Lopez416Kileen, TX
594/4/2014Unknown04Detroit, Mi
604/5/2014Unknown15Chicago, Il
614/5/2014Unknown13Phoenix, Az
624/5/2014Unknown04Fairfield, Ca
634/6/2014Unknown04Oklahoma City, Ok
644/6/2014Unknown04Springfield, Ma
654/7/2014Unknown04New Orleans, LA
664/10/2014Unknown13Arlington, TX
674/11/2014Unknown04Richmond, IN
684/12/2014Unknown13New Orleans, LA
694/13/2014Derek Morse31Lookout Valley, TN
704/14/2014Unknown04Washington, DC
714/14/2014Unknown13Vineland, NJ
724/17/2014Unknown04Nashville, TN
734/20/2014Unknown05Chicago, Il
744/20/2014Unknown22Tampa Bay, FL
754/20/2014Kim Tong Yik Doluony13Mankato, MN
764/20/2014Unknown06Montgomory, IL
774/24/2014Unknown13Houston, TX
784/25/2014Unknown23Memphis, TN
794/27/2014Unknown13Rome, GA
804/27/2014Unknown05Troy, NY
814/29/2014Geddy Kramer16Cobb County, GA
824/30/2014Unkno04Chicago, Il
834/30/2014Kevin Douglas Addison22Nanaimo, BC
845/3/2014Porfirio Hernandez44Jonesboro, AR
855/3/2014Unknown04Houston, TX
865/5/2014Karim Kamdar22Fort Bend County, TX
875/5/2014Unknown04Chicago, Il
885/5/2014Unknown04Wheat Ridge, CO
895/9/2014Darrin Campbell40Tampa, FL
905/9/2014Unknown40Pomona, CA
915/10/2014Unknown16Sacramento, CA
925/10/2014Oslushla Smith13DeKalb, GA
935/11/2014Marvin Louis Guy13Kileen, TX
945/11/2014Unknown23DeKalb, GA
955/12/2014Unknown04Chicago, Il
965/17/2014unknown05Washington, DC
975/18/2014Unknown22Cobb County, GA
985/17/2014Unknown13Coachella, CA
995/22/2014Jarmon Phillips13Dallas, Tx
1005/24/2014Elliot Rodger48Santa Barbara,CA

 

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http://www.reddit.com/r/GunsAreCool/wiki/2014massshootings

 

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Praise God and Pass the Ammunition

12,042 gun deaths or more between Newtown massacre and Dec. 31, 2013
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_..._death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html

 

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MASS SHOOTINGS IN 2014
NumberDateAlleged ShooterKilledWoundedLocation
11/1/2014Unknown22Norfolk, VA
21/3/2014Unknown13New York (Queens), NY
31/4/2014Leonard “Frank” Harris Jr22Rock Falls, IL
41/5/2014Unknown13Erie, OH
51/5/2014Unknown04Atlanta, Ga
61/12/2014Unknown05Elgin, Il
71/12/2014Unknown05Huntsville, AL
81/12/2014Unknown04Portland, OR
91/14/2014Unknown04Los Angeles, CA
101/16/2014Unknown14Ardmore, OK
111/16/2014Unknown22Fresno, CA
121/16/2014Joshua Boren50Spanish Fork, UT
131/20/2014Jeremiah Eugene Pullen04Manassas, VI
141/21/2014Unknown23Newark, NJ
151/25/2014Unknown04Belle Glade, FL
161/25/2014Unknown14Chicago, IL
171/27/2014Unknown04Rocky Mount, NC
181/27/2014Unknown14Seattle, WA
191/28/2014Darion Marcus Aguilar35Baltimore, MD
201/28/2014Unknown05Milwaukee, WI
212/2/2014Andrew Parish32Franklin, IL
222/3/2014Unknown40Cypress, TX
232/5/2014Earl Edward Clauge Jr.13Perry, FL
242/6/2014Unknown13Chicago, IL
252/6/2014Robert Garza Sr.40Defiance, OH
262/7/2014Unknown04New Orleans, LA
272/12/2014Unknown05Gary, IN
282/12/2014Unknown13Oakland, CA
292/12/2014Unknown13Stockton, Ca
302/15/2014Peter Andrade05Las Vegas, NV
312/15/2014Unknown05Fort Wayne, In
322/16/2014Unknown13Saginaw, Mi
332/16/2014Unknown14Fort Worth, Tx
342/16/2014Unknown14Jacksonville, Fl
352/16/2014Unknown16Dallas, Tx
362/16/2014Unknown16Pine Hills, FL
372/18/2014Unknown06Fort Lauderdale, Fl
382/20/2014Cherie Lash Rhoades42Alturas, Ca
392/20/2014James Anthony Chin, Christian Eduardo Menrano-Ramirez and Richard Brody Thompson012St. Petersburg, FL
402/20/2014Andrew Sizemore40Indianapolis, IN
412/23/2014Unknown04Wilmington, CA
422/24/2014Unknown41Glade Spring, VA
432/26/2014John Conta Jr.40Oak Lawn, IL
443/3/2014Xzavier Tyrone Mazyck04Detroit, Mi
453/5/2014Jared Michael Williams, and Hope Phillips31Pelzer, NC
463/8/2014Unknown13Richmond, Ca
473/9/2014Unknown04Milwaukee, WI
483/9/2014Patrick Calhoun06Chicago, IL
493/9/2014Igmidio Mista31Fremont, OH
503/14/2014Two Unknown04Brooklyn, NY
513/16/2014Joe Frederick Hawkins31Beaumont, TX
523/16/2014Tacorey Lamon Lakes, Brandell Shaquael Little, and Unknown04Waynsboro, GA
533/22/2014Antonio Marcel Flenoid04Sikeston, Mo
543/22/2014Unknown04North Charlston, SC
553/23/2014Alvin Bell13Arlington, TX
563/24/2014Unknown07San Francisco, CA
573/24/2014Unknown13Long Beach, CA
584/3/2014Ivan Lopez416Kileen, TX
594/4/2014Unknown04Detroit, Mi
604/5/2014Unknown15Chicago, Il
614/5/2014Unknown13Phoenix, Az
624/5/2014Unknown04Fairfield, Ca
634/6/2014Unknown04Oklahoma City, Ok
644/6/2014Unknown04Springfield, Ma
654/7/2014Unknown04New Orleans, LA
664/10/2014Unknown13Arlington, TX
674/11/2014Unknown04Richmond, IN
684/12/2014Unknown13New Orleans, LA
694/13/2014Derek Morse31Lookout Valley, TN
704/14/2014Unknown04Washington, DC
714/14/2014Unknown13Vineland, NJ
724/17/2014Unknown04Nashville, TN
734/20/2014Unknown05Chicago, Il
744/20/2014Unknown22Tampa Bay, FL
754/20/2014Kim Tong Yik Doluony13Mankato, MN
764/20/2014Unknown06Montgomory, IL
774/24/2014Unknown13Houston, TX
784/25/2014Unknown23Memphis, TN
794/27/2014Unknown13Rome, GA
804/27/2014Unknown05Troy, NY
814/29/2014Geddy Kramer16Cobb County, GA
824/30/2014Unkno04Chicago, Il
834/30/2014Kevin Douglas Addison22Nanaimo, BC
845/3/2014Porfirio Hernandez44Jonesboro, AR
855/3/2014Unknown04Houston, TX
865/5/2014Karim Kamdar22Fort Bend County, TX
875/5/2014Unknown04Chicago, Il
885/5/2014Unknown04Wheat Ridge, CO
895/9/2014Darrin Campbell40Tampa, FL
905/9/2014Unknown40Pomona, CA
915/10/2014Unknown16Sacramento, CA
925/10/2014Oslushla Smith13DeKalb, GA
935/11/2014Marvin Louis Guy13Kileen, TX
945/11/2014Unknown23DeKalb, GA
955/12/2014Unknown04Chicago, Il
965/17/2014unknown05Washington, DC
975/18/2014Unknown22Cobb County, GA
985/17/2014Unknown13Coachella, CA
995/22/2014Jarmon Phillips13Dallas, Tx
1005/24/2014Elliot Rodger48Santa Barbara,CA

How many of these "mass shootings" were directly related to criminal or gang activity?
How many of them occurred in a "gun free" zone?
How many of the victims were also engaged in criminal activity?
How many of the law-abiding victims were unarmed and helpless due to being in a so-called "gun free" zone?
How many of these "mass shootings" would have actually been prevented by the silly, feel-good laws and bans and restrictions that the anti-gunners keep whining for?
How many of these "mass shootings" were perpetrated by law-abiding people with carry permits?
If a criminal who is already prohibited from having a gun goes ahead and steals one to use in a "mass shooting", would writing even more laws change the outcome?

Anyone can cut-and-paste a bunch of cherry-picked data in order to try and prove a point, but if we want to actually solve our problems we have to be willing to ask the right questions.

 

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Anyone can cut-and-paste a bunch of cherry-picked data in order to try and prove a point, but if we want to actually solve our problems we have to be willing to ask the right questions.

couldnt agree more! here is a good question; WHY do the NRA and the Republican Party oppose any and all Gun Restriction?

President Obama suggests limiting Magazine Size and it turns into "Obama is coming to take your guns!!"

 

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couldnt agree more! here is a good question; WHY do the NRA and the Republican Party oppose any and all Gun Restriction?

President Obama suggests limiting Magazine Size and it turns into "Obama is coming to take your guns!!"

It is not true that the NRA opposes "all gun restriction."
The Instant Background Check system that is in place in my state was endorsed by the NRA.

Limiting magazine size is a pointless, feel-good measure that would have no effect on the outcome of gun crimes, but it is a slippery slope that Bloomberg and his minions will use to whittle away at our rights. Look at what they did in New York; NY already had a 10 round limit in place, but in a midnight vote with no public input they changed it to 7, thereby rendering thousands of guns and magazines illegal with the stroke of a pen. And once the 7 round limit is established and the manufacturers have gone to great expense to change their tooling and other processes, whats to stop the anti-gunners from changing it again to 6? or 5? And with literally tens of millions of higher-capacity magazines already in existence nationwide, do we really think that limiting the law-abiding to 6 or 7 or 10 rounds will prevent criminals from committing gun crimes with hi-cap mags?

I don't have a problem with the idea of reasonable gun laws but people like Bloomberg...who would use the force of law to deny me the right as a free person to buy a 32 ounce cup of soda...are not "reasonable" in any way and his ultimate goal is the complete and total disarmament of all law-abiding people in this country.

Here is a philosophical question for you. If I as a gun-owner and holder of two concealed handgun licenses am willing to agree to at least some increased level of licensing and training and background checks as a condition for gun ownership, will you as an anti-gunner be willing to at least consider the idea that "gun free" zones are a farce? Will you be willing to consider the idea that licensed and trained persons like myself who have undergone all of the background checks should have their carry permits honored in all 50 states? Or, like Bloomberg and Feinstein, does your idea of "reasonable" end with the virtual disarmament of the law abiding and a virtual ban on armed self-defense?

 

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How many of these "mass shootings" were directly related to criminal or gang activity?
How many of them occurred in a "gun free" zone?
How many of the victims were also engaged in criminal activity?
How many of the law-abiding victims were unarmed and helpless due to being in a so-called "gun free" zone?
How many of these "mass shootings" would have actually been prevented by the silly, feel-good laws and bans and restrictions that the anti-gunners keep whining for?
How many of these "mass shootings" were perpetrated by law-abiding people with carry permits?
If a criminal who is already prohibited from having a gun goes ahead and steals one to use in a "mass shooting", would writing even more laws change the outcome?

Anyone can cut-and-paste a bunch of cherry-picked data in order to try and prove a point, but if we want to actually solve our problems we have to be willing to ask the right questions.

Here's you a beer for the 2nd best post of the year. Sorry, Cheryl has already took #1.

 

[BrownBrokeDown]

It is not true that the NRA opposes "all gun restriction."
The Instant Background Check system that is in place in my state was endorsed by the NRA.

Limiting magazine size is a pointless, feel-good measure that would have no effect on the outcome of gun crimes, but it is a slippery slope that Bloomberg and his minions will use to whittle away at our rights. Look at what they did in New York; NY already had a 10 round limit in place, but in a midnight vote with no public input they changed it to 7, thereby rendering thousands of guns and magazines illegal with the stroke of a pen. And once the 7 round limit is established and the manufacturers have gone to great expense to change their tooling and other processes, whats to stop the anti-gunners from changing it again to 6? or 5? And with literally tens of millions of higher-capacity magazines already in existence nationwide, do we really think that limiting the law-abiding to 6 or 7 or 10 rounds will prevent criminals from committing gun crimes with hi-cap mags?

I don't have a problem with the idea of reasonable gun laws but people like Bloomberg...who would use the force of law to deny me the right as a free person to buy a 32 ounce cup of soda...are not "reasonable" in any way and his ultimate goal is the complete and total disarmament of all law-abiding people in this country.

Here is a philosophical question for you. If I as a gun-owner and holder of two concealed handgun licenses am willing to agree to at least some increased level of licensing and training and background checks as a condition for gun ownership, will you as an anti-gunner be willing to at least consider the idea that "gun free" zones are a farce? Will you be willing to consider the idea that licensed and trained persons like myself who have undergone all of the background checks should have their carry permits honored in all 50 states? Or, like Bloomberg and Feinstein, does your idea of "reasonable" end with the virtual disarmament of the law abiding and a virtual ban on armed self-defense?

Here's another beer for the NEW #2 post of the year.

 

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It is not true that the NRA opposes "all gun restriction."
The Instant Background Check system that is in place in my state was endorsed by the NRA.

Limiting magazine size is a pointless, feel-good measure that would have no effect on the outcome of gun crimes, but it is a slippery slope that Bloomberg and his minions will use to whittle away at our rights. Look at what they did in New York; NY already had a 10 round limit in place, but in a midnight vote with no public input they changed it to 7, thereby rendering thousands of guns and magazines illegal with the stroke of a pen. And once the 7 round limit is established and the manufacturers have gone to great expense to change their tooling and other processes, whats to stop the anti-gunners from changing it again to 6? or 5? And with literally tens of millions of higher-capacity magazines already in existence nationwide, do we really think that limiting the law-abiding to 6 or 7 or 10 rounds will prevent criminals from committing gun crimes with hi-cap mags?

I don't have a problem with the idea of reasonable gun laws but people like Bloomberg...who would use the force of law to deny me the right as a free person to buy a 32 ounce cup of soda...are not "reasonable" in any way and his ultimate goal is the complete and total disarmament of all law-abiding people in this country.

Here is a philosophical question for you. If I as a gun-owner and holder of two concealed handgun licenses am willing to agree to at least some increased level of licensing and training and background checks as a condition for gun ownership, will you as an anti-gunner be willing to at least consider the idea that "gun free" zones are a farce? Will you be willing to consider the idea that licensed and trained persons like myself who have undergone all of the background checks should have their carry permits honored in all 50 states? Or, like Bloomberg and Feinstein, does your idea of "reasonable" end with the virtual disarmament of the law abiding and a virtual ban on armed self-defense?

OMG, the humanity, the HORROR of being reduced from 10 rounds to seven!!!!!!
and yeah if a gun nut mass killer like the ones in Las Vegas,or Washington State,or Oregon or California or Chicago had to stop and reload after 7 shots instead of 10 gives the victims of these mass murderers a better chance of escape.
cmon really, explain this to me: if you are shooting at something and you miss with 7 shots,you REALLY think 3 more will help you?

and no i dont think carry permits should be honored in all 50 states. I have been around the world,in at least 40 of the 50 states of the USA in both good places and bad and call say in all honesty I have never gone anywhere that having a gun would have made me feel safer or would have improved a situation

 

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This entire "Good Guys With Guns Save teh Day " stance so many here adopt is absolutely absurd. Here is a list of shooting from the first week of June 2014. Links are included with details of the shootings and somehow there were no good guys with guns
Number 111: 6/1/2014, Unknown, 1 dead 5 injured, Chicago, Il
http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20140601/austin/teen-killed-five-others-injured-austin-shooting

Number 112: 6/1/2014, Unknown, 0 dead 4 injured, Sacramento, CA
http://fox40.com/2014/06/01/sacramento-driveby-shooting-leaves-3-wounded/

Number 113: 6/4/2014, Justin Bourque, 3 dead 2 injured, Moncton, New Brunswick
http://globalnews.ca/news/1374998/r...ts/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/05/world/canada-shooting/

Number 114: 6/5/2014, Aaron Ybarra, 1 dead 3 injured, Seattle, WA
http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/2014/06/shooting-on-seattle-pacific-campus-2-victims-reported/

Number 115: 6/7/2014, Unknown, 1 dead 4 injured, Moncks Corner, SC
http://www.live5news.com/story/25719421/1-dead-4-injured-in-berkeley-co-shooting

Number 116: 6/8/2014, Jerad Miller & Amanda Miller, 5 dead 0 injured, Las Vegas, NV
http://www.mynews3.com/mostpopular/...-2-Metro-officers/D9ijUJ5li0WVolLrKpXz6A.cspx

 

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This recent shooting of a Police Officer happened in my state,and the Officer Was killed by a man who had a permit for 'Open Carry" and had all the permits ,background checks and training that you have Soberups.
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/griffin-officer-shot-and-killed-at-waffle-house/ngBL9/

A 43-year-old Griffin police officer and father of seven was only doing his job when he was shot and killed outside of a Waffle House early this morning while working an off-duty security job in full uniform, his brother said.

Raymond Jordan was there when Griffin police say Michael D. Bowman, 30, shot Officer Kevin Jordan multiple times. Raymond Jordan ultimately shot Bowman, who is in stable condition at Atlanta Medical Center.

“I don’t want to be bitter,” Raymond Jordan told Channel 2 Action News. “But the only regret I have is that I didn’t kill him.”

He told the television station that Bowman, Chantell Mixon and Tyler Taylor were drunk when they came to the Waffle House at 1702 North Expressway. He claimed the trio used racial slurs and did not respect his brother, an ex-Marine who had been with the Griffin Police Department for four years.

In a statement, Griffin police only said that Bowman, Mixon and Taylor caused a disturbance and were asked to leave the restaurant around 2:20 a.m. Saturday. An altercation spilled into the parking lot, where Officer Kevin Jordan tried to arrest Mixon, Officer Mike Richardson with the Griffin Police Department said. Mixon is Bowman’s 28-year-old girlfriend, according to Channel 2.

Officer Kevin Jordan was on the ground trying to restrain Mixon when police say Bowman “maliciously shot” him multiple times in the back, Richardson said.

Raymond Jordan was in the parking lot when the gunfire erupted and grabbed his own gun, Richardson said. A civilian, he had a permit to carry a gun and was at the restaurant to visit his brother, who often worked there on weekends, police said. Raymond Jordan was not charged Saturday in Bowman’s shooting, and police offered no explanation.

Bowman and Mixon were charged with felony murder in Officer Kevin Jordan’s shooting death. Authorities also charged Mixon with felony obstruction. She made her first court appearance Sunday and was denied bond, Channel 2 reported. A third suspect, 23-year-old Tyler Taylor, was charged with disorderly conduct. It was not immediately clear if the three suspects hired attorneys, and several calls to their relatives went unanswered.

Darlene Buhlinger, Bowman’s aunt, did speak to Channel 2. She said she was in “disbelief” about what happened. She told the television station that her nephew had a permit to carry a gun but never thought he was capable of shooting anyone.

“That’s somebody’s son, daddy,” she said. “I mean I don’t even know what to feel. I’m so sorry for that family.”

The Georgia Bureau of Investigation is now probing the shooting. The Griffin Police Department has asked the public to pray for Officer Kevin Jordan’s family, who will have to make funeral arrangements just as they were preparing to celebrate the upcoming high school graduation of one of his seven children.

“We are deeply saddened by these events and send our condolences to the family of Officer Jordan,” the department said in a statement. “We request that you keep the Jordan family in your prayers and thoughts as well as our local law enforcement community. Officer Jordan will be greatly missed.”

Funeral arrangements for Jordan will be announced Monday.

 

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I'd like to ask about MY rights in being safe from Nuts who want to carry assault rifles in a public area
As far as the vaunted NRA:
NRA Apologizes For Calling Open Carry Protests "Downright Weird," Says Statement Was "A Mistake"

The National Rifle Association is walking back its statement criticizing gun activists who carry loaded assault weapons in public as a form of protest, with the NRA's top lobbyist apologizing and calling the statement "a mistake."

In recent months Open Carry Texas and several other gun activist groups have made headlines for openly carrying loaded assault weapons in public and into restaurants in the Dallas area. This tactic of attempting to "normalize" open carry of rifles has spectacularly backfired, as gun violence prevention group Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America has persuaded several restaurant chains where open carry rallies were staged to ask customers not to bring firearms into their businesses.

COX: The truth is an alert went out that referred to this type of behavior as weird or somehow not normal, and that was a mistake. It shouldn't have happened. I've had a discussion with the staffer who wrote that piece and expressed his personal opinion. And our job is not to criticize the lawful behavior of fellow gun owners. Our job is to effectuate policy changes that expands and protects our members' right of self-defense. So this is a distraction, certainly the media has had a field day with it.

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COX: The National Rifle Association unapologetically and unflinchingly supports the right of self-defense and what that means is that our members and our supporters have a right to carry a firearm in any place they have a legal right to be. If that means open carry, we support open carry. If it means concealed carry, it means concealed carry. So unequivocally we support open carry, we've been the leader of open carry efforts across this country, the leader in opposing efforts to curtail the ability to carry firearms, and that's something we're proud of and we do every day for our members.

On June 2, Mother Jones reported on a statement on the NRA's website that criticized the open carry protests as "downright weird" and suggested that the practice was "downright scary" to onlookers and "counterproductive for the gun owning community." The Mother Jones report was widely circulated in media as it was an aberration from the NRA's typical absolutist position on firearm issues. Open Carry Texascalled the NRA's statement "disgusting and disrespectful" and some gun activists cut up their NRA membership cards.

The NRA's top lobbyist, Chris Cox, appeared on the NRA's radio show Cam & Company on June 3 to repudiate the NRA's article criticizing the open carry movement. Cox said that the statement was "a mistake" and that "it shouldn't have happened," adding "our job is not to criticize the lawful behavior of fellow gun owners." Cox also blamed the statement on a "staffer" who Cox said "expressed his personal opinion." Referencing media interest in the statement, Cox termed it a "distraction."

Cox went on to describe the NRA's official policy: "The National Rifle Association unapologetically and unflinchingly supports the right of self-defense and what that means is that our members and our supporters have a right to carry a firearm in any place they have a legal right to be. If that means open carry, we support open carry. If it means concealed carry, it means concealed carry. So unequivocally we support open carry, we've been the leader of open carry efforts across this country, the leader in opposing efforts to curtail the ability to carry firearms, and that's something we're proud of and we do every day for our members."

Cox added that the NRA "apologize again for any confusion that that post caused."

 

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I'd like to ask about MY rights in being safe from Nuts who want to carry assault rifles in a public area
As far as the vaunted NRA:
NRA Apologizes For Calling Open Carry Protests "Downright Weird," Says Statement Was "A Mistake"

The National Rifle Association is walking back its statement criticizing gun activists who carry loaded assault weapons in public as a form of protest, with the NRA's top lobbyist apologizing and calling the statement "a mistake."

In recent months Open Carry Texas and several other gun activist groups have made headlines for openly carrying loaded assault weapons in public and into restaurants in the Dallas area. This tactic of attempting to "normalize" open carry of rifles has spectacularly backfired, as gun violence prevention group Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America has persuaded several restaurant chains where open carry rallies were staged to ask customers not to bring firearms into their businesses.

COX: The truth is an alert went out that referred to this type of behavior as weird or somehow not normal, and that was a mistake. It shouldn't have happened. I've had a discussion with the staffer who wrote that piece and expressed his personal opinion. And our job is not to criticize the lawful behavior of fellow gun owners. Our job is to effectuate policy changes that expands and protects our members' right of self-defense. So this is a distraction, certainly the media has had a field day with it.

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COX: The National Rifle Association unapologetically and unflinchingly supports the right of self-defense and what that means is that our members and our supporters have a right to carry a firearm in any place they have a legal right to be. If that means open carry, we support open carry. If it means concealed carry, it means concealed carry. So unequivocally we support open carry, we've been the leader of open carry efforts across this country, the leader in opposing efforts to curtail the ability to carry firearms, and that's something we're proud of and we do every day for our members.

On June 2, Mother Jones reported on a statement on the NRA's website that criticized the open carry protests as "downright weird" and suggested that the practice was "downright scary" to onlookers and "counterproductive for the gun owning community." The Mother Jones report was widely circulated in media as it was an aberration from the NRA's typical absolutist position on firearm issues. Open Carry Texascalled the NRA's statement "disgusting and disrespectful" and some gun activists cut up their NRA membership cards.

The NRA's top lobbyist, Chris Cox, appeared on the NRA's radio show Cam & Company on June 3 to repudiate the NRA's article criticizing the open carry movement. Cox said that the statement was "a mistake" and that "it shouldn't have happened," adding "our job is not to criticize the lawful behavior of fellow gun owners." Cox also blamed the statement on a "staffer" who Cox said "expressed his personal opinion." Referencing media interest in the statement, Cox termed it a "distraction."

Cox went on to describe the NRA's official policy: "The National Rifle Association unapologetically and unflinchingly supports the right of self-defense and what that means is that our members and our supporters have a right to carry a firearm in any place they have a legal right to be. If that means open carry, we support open carry. If it means concealed carry, it means concealed carry. So unequivocally we support open carry, we've been the leader of open carry efforts across this country, the leader in opposing efforts to curtail the ability to carry firearms, and that's something we're proud of and we do every day for our members."

Cox added that the NRA "apologize again for any confusion that that post caused."

Your rights are to carry your own firearm to defend yourself. Whether the people you could defend yourself against are nuts or are using a so called "assault weapon" are irrelevant.

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OMG, the humanity, the HORROR of being reduced from 10 rounds to seven!!!!!!
and yeah if a gun nut mass killer like the ones in Las Vegas,or Washington State,or Oregon or California or Chicago had to stop and reload after 7 shots instead of 10 gives the victims of these mass murderers a better chance of escape.
cmon really, explain this to me: if you are shooting at something and you miss with 7 shots,you REALLY think 3 more will help you?

and no i dont think carry permits should be honored in all 50 states. I have been around the world,in at least 40 of the 50 states of the USA in both good places and bad and call say in all honesty I have never gone anywhere that having a gun would have made me feel safer or would have improved a situation

Adam Lanza brought dozens of hi-cap magazines to Sandy Hook with him; most of them were found on the floor only partially depleted with fewer than 10 rounds having been fired from them before being dropped and replaced with a fresh ones. This is known as a "tactical reload" and is standard practice when in a gunfight in order to keep one's weapon topped off with as many rounds as possible. Of course...when the state has conveniently herded a bunch of children into a "gun free" zone and denied their teachers the tools to protect them with, the magazine capacity of your weapon is going to be pretty much irrelevant to the outcome of the slaughter. How different would the story be if the principal of Sandy Hook could have confronted Lanza in the hallway and cut him in half with a 12 gauge shotgun instead of throwing books and her unarmed body against him in a futile attempt to save her students? We will never know.

As far as carry permits go...drivers licenses and marriage licenses are honored nationwide. I have done all the training and all the background checks and fingerprinting and waiting periods that you anti-gunners long for. Actually, I have done it twice. Why shouldn't my permits be honored in all 50 states instead of the 36 that they are good in right now? Why should my right self-defense stop at the California state line? This has nothing to do with how you personally feel about guns, or if they make you feel any safer, its about the right of other law-abiding citizens to freely travel and have their license to carry honored nationwide the same as a driver license.

 

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e attempt to save her students? We will never know.

As far as carry permits go...drivers licenses and marriage licenses are honored nationwide. I have done all the training and all the background checks and fingerprinting and waiting periods that you anti-gunners long for. Actually, I have done it twice. Why shouldn't my permits be honored in all 50 states instead of the 36 that they are good in right now? Why should my right self-defense stop at the California state line? This has nothing to do with how you personally feel about guns, or if they make you feel any safer, its about the right of other law-abiding citizens to freely travel and have their license to carry honored nationwide the same as a driver license.

My feelings on the matter are quite moot in states that I dont reside in. The fact that many states pass laws representing the interests of their constituents regarding Open Carry shows democracy in action. My views on Gun Control certainly mean nothing in my state: The Republican Christian Folk may fear God,but pushed into law the legality of packing heat in a house of worship,into bars and were bitterly dissapointed when the legality of students having weapons on College Campuses was shot down

And i mean no personal insults here,but I am baffled by those who feel they NEED to carry a weapon anywhere they go. I have been to NYC,Boston,Detroit,LA,North Las Vegas,Chicago,Atlanta,Stockton and Houston to name a few places,and I gotta tell you being alert,paying attention to ones surroundings and not being stupid mad eme feel MUCH safter than if i had been packing heat