IF DRA Fails?

vantexan

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Yes, but the GOP sheep trot willingly into the pen to be sheared, then complain later that they have been fleeced. The Democratic sheperds try to train the sheep to think for themselves and demand a fair price for their wool, but the GOP sheep have been chased by the FOX and are too scared to stand-up for themselves.

And the Democrat sheep keep being told by the shepherds to relax, we'll take care of everything, cradle to grave, and yet every year they get sheared with no change in their quality of life while the shepherds live it up. Seems the Democrat and Republican shepherds have more in common with each other than the sheep they lead. Not to mention that Collie bitch Hillary nipping at their heels....
 

MrFedEx

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And the Democrat sheep keep being told by the shepherds to relax, we'll take care of everything, cradle to grave, and yet every year they get sheared with no change in their quality of life while the shepherds live it up. Seems the Democrat and Republican shepherds have more in common with each other than the sheep they lead. Not to mention that Collie bitch Hillary nipping at their heels....

Neither the Democratic or GOP sheperds really care about their sheep..just their votes. And everyone says that Hillary is the smartest effing Collie they've ever seen. Much smarter than Marco, the Hispanic farmhand or Christopher, the enormously fat farmer, who keeps eating all the pig's slop.
 

vantexan

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Neither the Democratic or GOP sheperds really care about their sheep..just their votes. And everyone says that Hillary is the smartest effing Collie they've ever seen. Much smarter than Marco, the Hispanic farmhand or Christopher, the enormously fat farmer, who keeps eating all the pig's slop.

​I'm sure you are aware that Hillary was part of the Watergate legal team that demanded to know what the President knew, and when he knew it. The irony...
 

MrFedEx

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​I'm sure you are aware that Hillary was part of the Watergate legal team that demanded to know what the President knew, and when he knew it. The irony...

Yes, ironic. But you can hardly equate lying about getting a hummer with what Nixon did. Hillary is supremely qualified to be President.
 

vantexan

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Yes, ironic. But you can hardly equate lying about getting a hummer with what Nixon did. Hillary is supremely qualified to be President.

Hillary got a hummer? Always suspected. No, talking about her saying "What does it matter?" about Benghazi. Now that the people involved are talking under oath before Congress it appears it mattered to them alot to concoct a story about a video causing riots to cover their tracks before the election. People died, just as they did in a total screw-up with dumping several thousand guns into criminal hands in Mexico and then pretending they didn't know about it. Do you believe that because they are Democrats they should be held to a lesser standard? I don't care who's in power, I want transparency, and following the letter of the law. There are 3 scandals going on right now, not one, and others have been swept under the rug. Not a record to be proud of.
 

DontThrowPackages

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Hillary got a hummer? Always suspected. No, talking about her saying "What does it matter?" about Benghazi. Now that the people involved are talking under oath before Congress it appears it mattered to them alot to concoct a story about a video causing riots to cover their tracks before the election. People died, just as they did in a total screw-up with dumping several thousand guns into criminal hands in Mexico and then pretending they didn't know about it. Do you believe that because they are Democrats they should be held to a lesser standard? I don't care who's in power, I want transparency, and following the letter of the law. There are 3 scandals going on right now, not one, and others have been swept under the rug. Not a record to be proud of.
I'm still waiting for the person to come forward who said there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. I mean, it was the excuse used to go to war in Iraq right? America only lost over 32,000 soldiers. You want to factor in the ones who come home and blow their brains out? Maybe we can take into account the civilian death toll some say is over 100,000 lives. Benghazi=4 dead Americans. WMD lie= over 100,000 dead. Plus made a curtain Vice President even more wealth as a war profiteer. Ask another living outside America which is worst scandal and they probably look at you with a face like...."Benghazi, you call that a scandal?"
 

kingOFchester

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I'm still waiting for the person to come forward who said there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. I mean, it was the excuse used to go to war in Iraq right? America only lost over 32,000 soldiers. You want to factor in the ones who come home and blow their brains out? Maybe we can take into account the civilian death toll some say is over 100,000 lives. Benghazi=4 dead Americans. WMD lie= over 100,000 dead. Plus made a Vice President even more wealthy as a war profiteer. Ask another living outside America which is worst scandal and they probably at you with a face like...."Benghazi, you call that a scandal?"

Come on....you saw the truck. Powell even had a picture of the truck that had the WMD's. They just lost its location in the desert.
 

vantexan

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Seriously? Hussein refused to honor 17 U.N. resolutions, had gotten a million people killed in a war with Iran, killed thousands of Kurds in a chemical attack, invaded Kuwait, supported suicide bombings in Israel with payments to their families, etc. Bush had not only the C.I.A. telling him the weapons were there, but every spy service in the world agreed. Can't really say we used all of that as a pretext to grab Iraqi oil because to date we haven't grabbed it. Meanwhile Obama has proven to the world over and over that his warnings have no teeth. There are serious conflicts in Syria, the Ukraine, and Venezuela right now that threaten to pull us into wider conflicts. Benghazi is illustrative of this Administration's bungling ineptitude and refusal to ever take blame and hold people accountable. I've repeatedly pointed out the problems with the Republicans but compared to what the Democrats have done I like the Repub's chances in 2014 and 2016. Of course that depends on just how many gullible people are left that believe the liberal media's lies and manipulations.
 

MAKAVELI

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Seriously? Hussein refused to honor 17 U.N. resolutions, had gotten a million people killed in a war with Iran, killed thousands of Kurds in a chemical attack, invaded Kuwait, supported suicide bombings in Israel with payments to their families, etc. Bush had not only the C.I.A. telling him the weapons were there, but every spy service in the world agreed. Can't really say we used all of that as a pretext to grab Iraqi oil because to date we haven't grabbed it. Meanwhile Obama has proven to the world over and over that his warnings have no teeth. There are serious conflicts in Syria, the Ukraine, and Venezuela right now that threaten to pull us into wider conflicts. Benghazi is illustrative of this Administration's bungling ineptitude and refusal to ever take blame and hold people accountable. I've repeatedly pointed out the problems with the Republicans but compared to what the Democrats have done I like the Repub's chances in 2014 and 2016. Of course that depends on just how many gullible people are left that believe the liberal media's lies and manipulations.
Did Bush take blame for 9/11 and hold people accountable for the attacks? Talk about bungling, what did he do when he was first told of the attacks?
The worst president in US history!
 

DontThrowPackages

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Seriously? Hussein refused to honor 17 U.N. resolutions, had gotten a million people killed in a war with Iran, killed thousands of Kurds in a chemical attack, invaded Kuwait, supported suicide bombings in Israel with payments to their families, etc. Bush had not only the C.I.A. telling him the weapons were there, but every spy service in the world agreed. Can't really say we used all of that as a pretext to grab Iraqi oil because to date we haven't grabbed it. Meanwhile Obama has proven to the world over and over that his warnings have no teeth. There are serious conflicts in Syria, the Ukraine, and Venezuela right now that threaten to pull us into wider conflicts. Benghazi is illustrative of this Administration's bungling ineptitude and refusal to ever take blame and hold people accountable. I've repeatedly pointed out the problems with the Republicans but compared to what the Democrats have done I like the Repub's chances in 2014 and 2016. Of course that depends on just how many gullible people are left that believe the liberal media's lies and manipulations.
Seriously? Hussein refused to honor 17 U.N. resolutions, had gotten a million people killed in a war with Iran, killed thousands of Kurds in a chemical attack, invaded Kuwait, supported suicide bombings in Israel with payments to their families, etc. Bush had not only the C.I.A. telling him the weapons were there, but every spy service in the world agreed. Can't really say we used all of that as a pretext to grab Iraqi oil because to date we haven't grabbed it. Meanwhile Obama has proven to the world over and over that his warnings have no teeth. There are serious conflicts in Syria, the Ukraine, and Venezuela right now that threaten to pull us into wider conflicts. Benghazi is illustrative of this Administration's bungling ineptitude and refusal to ever take blame and hold people accountable. I've repeatedly pointed out the problems with the Republicans but compared to what the Democrats have done I like the Repub's chances in 2014 and 2016. Of course that depends on just how many gullible people are left that believe the liberal media's lies and manipulations.
Yes really. They were looking to go to war and wanted an excuse. Maybe Bush didn't know but that means someone lied to him. You mention the CIA. We know they were getting presser from "someone" to find an excuse to justify going to war I.E. Make Cheney and his cronies richer. Was it Paul Pillar who went before congress with some BS report that would get Cheney the war he wanted so badly? 100,000 Dead? Was it worth the profit made? The new Republican only cares about Money and how much of it he can get his hands on. They say, "Whats wrong with making money?" You know the Dad who pimps his own daughter out says the same thing. GOP? It cares nothing about mankind but rather how much he can squeeze from it. If Vice President Joe Biden had a company which produced a special sensor for automobiles and all of a sudden a law was passed stating all cars must be equipped with this sensor, wouldn't that be pretty obvious what was going on? But no one on the Republican party side questions Cheney who would just so happen to profit if a war broke out? Pretty ironic, no?
 

vantexan

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Yes really. They were looking to go to war and wanted an excuse. Maybe Bush didn't know but that means someone lied to him. You mention the CIA. We know they were getting presser from "someone" to find an excuse to justify going to war I.E. Make Cheney and his cronies richer. Was it Paul Pillar who went before congress with some BS report that would get Cheney the war he wanted so badly? 100,000 Dead? Was it worth the profit made? The new Republican only cares about Money and how much of it he can get his hands on. They say, "Whats wrong with making money?" You know the Dad who pimps his own daughter out says the same thing. GOP? It cares nothing about mankind but rather how much he can squeeze from it. If Vice President Joe Biden had a company which produced a special sensor for automobiles and all of a sudden a law was passed stating all cars must be equipped with this sensor, wouldn't that be pretty obvious what was going on? But no one on the Republican party side questions Cheney who would just so happen to profit if a war broke out? Pretty ironic, no?

Oh no, Hussein was a choirboy who never did anything wrong. Same ol' B.S.. As for 911, the Clinton administration did nothing other than sending a cruise missile into a camp in Afghanistan to stop Bin Laden. We were attacked all over the world, Bin Laden's fingerprints were all over those attacks, and Clinton was too busy chasing Monica to care. 911 could have been prevented if Clinton had been on the ball. Putting it all on Bush when he had been in power all of 8 months is ludicrous. The problem with you guys is you are too caught up in the rich man/poor man thing. Literally everything is seen through the prism of class envy. Well guess what, much of what happened in the last 13 years was due to Muslim fanatics and to Democrat pressure on banks to lend to unqualified people. And a Democrat President so hellbent on "social justice" he can't see he's hurting the people he's supposed to care about. And Republican greed. But there's plenty of blame to go around. Just remember in 2016 that the economy hasn't improved for the middle class under 8 years of Democrat leadership and ask yourself do we keep blaming Bush for all that ails us or do we try a pro-business approach that gets people working and reduces our debt? Or do you continue to say we can't give business any help because that'll enrich some, better to cut off our noses to spite our faces?
 

DontThrowPackages

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Truth is, my country in going to pot, I really don't care about anything else. The rich/man poor man thing has everything to do with the problems we have in this country.....and maybe something to do with whats going on in the eurozone excluding Germany. Could it be Germany only has 2 billionaires listing in the top 30 in the world and thats why their economy is the model? Japan didn't have any in the top 20 and an average worker can buy a home(not in Toyko city) and retire without worry. But the top ten richest come from countries which the average working is struggling to get by or in poverty all together. You can say a successful business man owes nothing to his country or loyalty for that matter and can ship his 10,000-20,000 jobs to India, China or Mexico. If the business men of the 1940's and 50's thought like this, America would already look like India. Million dollar homes on one side and Slums on the other. No Middle class. But today's America Business man ships jobs not because he wants to see those other countries' economy grow but rather extort the peasants labor to grab up all the pennies he can. And when someone calls him on, he's cries , " Government is getting in the way of my......". BS. And When Clinton was in office, the middle class was doing great. Too great for the elites. How can they control a people who, if they don't like the job they have, can easily go find another. "Sell them houses they can't afford. Then we'll bet on them to default on the loan. Not only will we get the insurance on the default but we get back the home as well." It was the being of the collapse of the American economy which also had an effect on other parts of the world. Too may of the middle class fell for it out of stupidity. The elite all laughed at them. "How dare they think they can own a home near us and think they can retire on a good pension. HA HA HA". This is were they like the middle class, fighting to keep the crap job they have. A job, when Clinton was in office, they would walk out on any get hired the next week somewhere else. Clinton was the Best President of my lifetime. And once Hillary is in office we will have 8 more years of Bill. Because the GOP is anti-middle class, anti-woman, anti-science, anti immigrant, anti-environment, anti-minority, anti-choice, anti-equal rights and so on. That pretty much limits their voting base to older white males. We know the trouble they're in by the fact We see the GOP running around looking for someone to prop up with a Latino sir name but who isn't too dark. Obama promised us out of the wars but here we are. Still dying in some crap hole country.....for what? To make bomb and tank makers rich? Maybe.
 

vantexan

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Do you not remember the '94 midterm election was called "The Year of the Angry White Male?" It was because Clinton tried things in his first two years that was harming business. He realized after the Republicans took over both the House and Senate for the first time in 50 years due to his policies that he had to change or he wouldn't be reelected. He hire a Republican campaign specialist, Dick Morris, to advise him. He went center-right on every issue, making many Republican ideas his own. And he benefitted immensely from the Dot.com boom in Silicon Valley. So there's your 90's for you, a Republican Congress and a Democrat acting like a Republican. Remember it was Clinton who signed both NAFTA and the Welfare Reform Act into law, both very Republican ideas. Ask the unions how they feel about NAFTA! As far as businessmen cashing in, it's a serious problem that's not going away. But policies that stifle growth don't hurt the big guys. They've demonstrated in the last 6 years that they're going to get theirs' no matter the economy, primarily by laying off employees or stagnating pay and eliminating benefits. If there isn't an expanding economy that requires hiring to keep up then there's limited opportunity for good careers and very dim futures for young adults. If such a thing could be created by expanding government Obama would have already saved the planet with his spending. Bottom line is I don't care if Fred S has a ton of money and lives a "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" life. I only care that he pays fairly, and that will only happen in a good economy where he has to compete for workers. When people gladly accept a Ground job with lower pay and no benefits that says there isn't a good economy with good paying jobs to choose from. We can't all be Fred S, but we can demand that our government has policies that spurs growth and gives us the chance through hard work to have a better life. No doubt that the people running our major corporations have done alot of damage through greed. But so has both government and unions. And it's easily seen that in States that are business friendly that people are working and thriving compared to States that have high regulation, litigation, and union participation.
 
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