ajblakejr
Age quod agis
When the students revolted; why didn't we support them?
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oldngray
nowhere special
What does you people have to do with anything? It is Iran who accused Obama of lying.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
Israel.
soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
1. They probably didn't want our support
2. Short of dropping bombs or invading, there is very little we could have done to support them. Its not like we have much influence with their leaders. Unfortunately, its their fight not ours.
soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
Ever read anything about Benjamin Netanyahu?
That guy is seriously bad ass. He was a member of the Sayaret Maktal, the Israeli version of our Special Forces. He has fought in wars and killed people. Has a bullet hole in his shoulder from a gun battle with Black September terrorists during the rescue of Israeli hostages from a hijacked plane in 1972. His brother Jonathan was also a commando who was shot and killed by PLO terrorists during the rescue of Israeli hostages in Entebbe, Uganda in 1976. For Netanyahu, violence and terrorism are not abstractions. Do you seriously think that as Prime Minister he is going to sit and do nothing if Iran gets a nuclear weapon? And do you seriously think that, when push comes to shove, he is going to give a damn what the US government thinks?
BrownArmy
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I appreciate your appreciation for Netanyahu, however...
This guy loves any war (current, past, potential future) where the US defends Israel.
Netanyahu has never met a US led war that he didn't like.
If it was up to him, the US would be invading Iran right now.
Where does it end?
When does Israel put on their big-boy pants?
When does Israel realize that we can't fix their self-made problems?
1BROWNWRENCH
Amatuer Malthusian
Moshe Dyan was a pretty tough cookie as well.
soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
Netanyahu knows we arent going to invade Iran. We arent capable of doing it even if we wanted to.
What we ARE capable of doing...is taking out their nuclear program with air strikes using conventional weapons.
Israel is ALSO capable of taking out Irans nuclear program with air strikes...but only if they use nuclear weapons of their own.
That is what the entire argument boils down to. The failure of negotiations WILL result in the destruction of Irans nuclear program by force. The only question is who will use that force.
Sportello
Well-Known Member
realbrown1
Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
Then lets hope the negotiations are successful.
realbrown1
Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
Negotiations won't successful.
How did England and France's negotiations with Germany in 1938 go?
Looked good to the peace niks in 1938.
By Sept. 1, 1939 all hell broke loose BECAUSE OF THOSE NEGOTIATIONS.
Because Hitler had no intention of EVER honoring that agreement.
But England and France did honor that agreement and were utterly unprepared for the German onslaught in 1939.
We are looking at the EXACTLY SAME CIRCUMSTANCES NOW.
And you hope they are successful?
Have you learned 1 damned thing from history?
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
We did far more damage to their nuclear program with the NSA developed Stuxnet Virus than we could have with a short conventional warfare campaign.
MrFedEx
Engorged Member
Yep. And if that doesn't work, Israel seems to be able to handle itself pretty well when threatened. I'm thinking that Israel could secretly be hoping Iran is developing nuclear weapons. That would justify military action against them without UN consequences. They have excellent military intelligence, no doubt much of it provided by US satellites, drones, and aircraft.
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