"Last, Best, and Final" offer sent to Local 89

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by PiedmontSteward, Mar 7, 2014.

  1. PiedmontSteward

    PiedmontSteward RTW-4-Less

    From http://www.teamsters89.com/?zone=/unionactive/view_article.cfm&HomeID=398800

    Read More Here
     
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  2. Anonymous 12

    Anonymous 12 Non active member

    Memphis here ups comes.
     
  3. Anonymous 12

    Anonymous 12 Non active member

    Back in 76 ups jumped over a dollar to save a dime and closed a hub in Pittsburgh because of a strike. They opened the New Stanton building and moved all the work. As the story was passed down to me every worker lost their job. I think this would be impossible to do now for ups but I see a major diversion of volume around the corner. Fred won't have as many members next contract.

    If there's one thing I've learned about ups they don't fight fair and there not scared to take a loss on a place that they should have never built in the first place.
     
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  4. Anonymous 12

    Anonymous 12 Non active member

    Mark my words you heard it here first. When this starts to happen you'll see it right here on this message board. I'll be the one telling you all I told you so.
     
  5. Island

    Island Active Member

    Wow. That 89 site has its arguments well stated. I have to applaud that memorandum that Piedmont linked to, its arguments against the IBT's "just vote yes" doctrine are compelling.
    More power to them. It sounds like even if they were given all the things they are asking for, they are still not getting very much. They're trying to patch holes, much less make gains. 3-hour shifts? 6-hour fulltimers with crap pension? I mean I'd love to be a 30 hr/wk "fulltime" employee but if I had to start at 15 hr/wk I would probably not have kept the job in the first place. And then they have to spend two or more hours dealing with that transit system! Those poor guys have no time for a second job, that is plainly enforced part-time poverty, more so than the rest of us have it.
     
  6. Stonefish

    Stonefish Well-Known Member

    So let me get this straight they have a 6 hour part-time employee why would Fred ever agree to that? Now he wants to blame the IBT? For that? Really? Stop it. Ask Them what kind of pension these 6 hour people get. See if you part-timers feel sorry for them then.
     
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  7. Anonymous 12

    Anonymous 12 Non active member

    You can't reason with a madman.
     
  8. O/C

    O/C Member

    Case in point the infamous TNT deal in Europe. 250,000,000 plus wasted for nothing. 407, you are way overestimating corporate's intelligence, most of it is blind arrogance and greed.

    Story has it that the pilot's union is in mediation now. I remember them walking the picket line with us in "97". Louisville hub and "L89" would be a different animal than Pittsburgh in the mid-seventies.
     
  9. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    $250M would have been a drop in the bucket compared to the ROI had the deal gone through.
     
  10. O/C

    O/C Member

    It did not go through, a quarter of a Billion dollars would fit very nicely in my bucket. I saw the video with the board explaining the misadventure, didn't understand any of their excuses (corporate gibberish), their body language explained it all. I figured out that one of them had to go (early retirement), it was a blunder plain and simple.
     
  11. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Without risks there are no rewards.

    What if air service had never been started?


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  12. O/C

    O/C Member

    I would imagine that L89 would agree with that statement. These supplements and riders are a very, very long way from being settled, members are starting to realize that whoever's supplement or rider is settled last will be in the best position to get what they want. Negotiations 101..
     
  13. 3 done 3 to go

    3 done 3 to go In control of my own destiny

    I have been told 89 will not vote, till atleast the end of September
     
  14. upschuck

    upschuck Avatar bet gone wrong

    That is a long way off, unless there is a total breakdown in negotiations, and possibly a strike vote, I don't see this happening.
     
  15. Anonymous 12

    Anonymous 12 Non active member

    I think that's what I said in my post but don't ever overestimate the cunning, cut throat, stupid, spiteful, and arrogant big brown machine. They already are plotting this. They got caught with their pants down once and they came back with all kinds of Technology to dumb up this job and they will move a portion of Freds work. This will show Fred it ain't his work.

    One thing I learned as a youth who fought a lot and thought I was the baddest man/boy on the block. There is always someone tougher.
     
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  16. Hawfuh Sux

    Hawfuh Sux Old Guard Assassin!

    407,

    Just because you don't want to strike it doesn't mean others don't. Why didn't you ever submit your application to join management? You're nothing but a company man. People like you baffle me.
     
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  17. Stonefish

    Stonefish Well-Known Member

    Or maybe he has the intelligence to know when it's smart to strike or not.

    Oh I almost forgot TDU SUCKS
     
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  18. Irishman Collins

    Irishman Collins Active Member

    Yes, 407 lets give up and give in. You cant be serious? Did you read Jimmy Hoffa's letter to the Democratic party and how it affects non-profit plans like Central States? Why are you so anxious to continue to be in a plan that wont be sustainable unless legislation is passed to protect non-profit plans? Hoffa's words not mine. The Republicans will never support any legislation that protects Unions from the Affordable Care Act. I beg of you, please do a little research before you look through your rose colored glasses.
     
  19. Bubblehead

    Bubblehead My Senior Picture

    UPS has invested far too much to ever abandon their position in the Louisville based Worldport facility.
    Even if it were their intention, there is no way such a drastic move could be made in time to wiggle out of the mess that is the Local 89 supplement.
    We call on that bluff.
     
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  20. Funfact

    Funfact Well-Known Member

    146 Days till I'm owed another $.70 hr