Local 804 Drivers Walked Out

[realbrown1]

I would agree if this was 1910. Seeing that the socialistic ideology was for all trade unionist called Pan-American Tradesman making the same which was about $70 a week. However, we are the highest paid in our industry. So if you want to toss in about 13 bucks per hour and pay a huge health care premium so everyone can be on a level playing field, Socialism is for you.

You sound like Bill Clinton trying to change the definition of "IS".

 

[Brown Spider]

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  November 21, 1997: Teamsters for A Democratic Union ("TDU"), which begins its convention this weekend, is the target of FBI and Senate Government Affairs Committee inquiries,Washington Times reports. TDU, which has about 4,000 members, donated approximately $458,000 to Carey camaign, leading to speculation that TDU is "missing link" between Democratic National Committee and Carey.
  
  
  • NOTE: New York Times reports that investigators are looking into claims that Gail Zappa, widow of Frank Zappa and a major Democratic Party contributor, was asked by the DNC to donate to TDU in exchange for Teamster donations to the party. TDU head says he does not recall receiving money from Zappa, and says that TDU does not accept money from non-Teamsters.

So Stink, you're really going to run with a 17 year old story that was "leading to speculation"? One would think that such leading speculation would have at the very least, led somewhere by now. And the headline in that Washington Times read "Missing link in Teamsters Scheme?" Do you see the question mark in that headline, Stink? Doesn't sound like there was a lot to the story after all.

Of course, I can't help but note that the "journalist" that wrote that story was none other than Bill Sammon. Sammon has since drifted over to Fox News and pretty much made a career out of misleading right wing trash. "Speaking in 2009 onboard a pricey Mediterranean cruise, Sammon admitted he promoted the idea that Barack Obama really advocated socialism on Fox News prior to the 2008 election, even though he privately found the concept far-fetched". Yep...Bill Sammon...a whole lot of credibility there, huh Stink? Then again...you may not be the best person to make that call.

 

[stink219]

So Stink, you're really going to run with a 17 year old story that was "leading to speculation"? One would think that such leading speculation would have at the very least, led somewhere by now. And the headline in that Washington Times read "Missing link in Teamsters Scheme?" Do you see the question mark in that headline, Stink? Doesn't sound like there was a lot to the story after all.

Of course, I can't help but note that the "journalist" that wrote that story was none other than Bill Sammon. Sammon has since drifted over to Fox News and pretty much made a career out of misleading right wing trash. "Speaking in 2009 onboard a pricey Mediterranean cruise, Sammon admitted he promoted the idea that Barack Obama really advocated socialism on Fox News prior to the 2008 election, even though he privately found the concept far-fetched". Yep...Bill Sammon...a whole lot of credibility there, huh Stink? Then again...you may not be the best person to make that call.

Whatever makes you sleep man.

 

[stink219]

You sound like Bill Clinton trying to change the definition of "IS".

Umkay?

 

[fedupups]

so I received a letter in the mail yesterday from el president Sylvester basically stating the wildcat was illegal and should never happen and wont happen again...so my question to all these e-board loving people quoting this and quoting that stating the wildcat was legitimate...is what do u have to say now that your beloved president said it was wrong

 

[Big Bad Wolf]

"Speaking in 2009 onboard a pricey Mediterranean cruise, Sammon admitted he promoted the idea that Barack Obama really advocated socialism on Fox News prior to the 2008 election, even though he privately found the concept far-fetched".

Seems like this guy was on to something. Are you saying Obama is devoid of socialism? Seems like Obama is making the largest donation to American socialism we have ever seen.


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[Inthegame]

so I received a letter in the mail yesterday from el president Sylvester basically stating the wildcat was illegal and should never happen and wont happen again...so my question to all these e-board loving people quoting this and quoting that stating the wildcat was legitimate...is what do u have to say now that your beloved president said it was wrong

Didn't agreeing to allow 2 week suspensions (x 250) kinda give you a clue L804 knew it was illegal? And when did the "beloved" el president ever say it was. This was called by an elected BA without consulting anyone from the e-board.

 

[Stratocaster]

I received the same letter signed by Tim yesterday. But we must remember that part of the agreement was the Union saying that the strike was illegal. UPS is trying to protect the Brand. UPS doesn't get to decide what's legal or not.....thats why we often go through the arbitrary process. At the end of the day, both sides were happy to come out of this with minimum damage. I'm just proud to be amongst soldiers. 804 Proud.

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[Brown Spider]

so I received a letter in the mail yesterday from el president Sylvester basically stating the wildcat was illegal and should never happen and wont happen again...so my question to all these e-board loving people quoting this and quoting that stating the wildcat was legitimate...is what do u have to say now that your beloved president said it was wrong

I guess since I supported, and still do support, the Executive Board, and I've also quoted Article 18, Section 4 on numerous occasions, that would make me one of the "e-board loving people". Okay. I still believe that the language in Article 18, Section 4 is strong and would have been upheld by an Arbitrator or by the NLRB. The actions by UPS in Maspeth were exactly what that language was meant to address. That being said, Tim, or my "beloved president", as you call him, didn't have the luxury of judging from the sidelines. He had the burden of weighing the eventual long term impact on those 250 drivers. He may have believed, as I do, that they would have been reinstated. He may have also considered the time it may have taken and how those drivers would survive without a paycheck coming in. He may have gotten direct feedback from those drivers. He may have concluded that a guaranteed return to work with a 10 day suspension was better than risking even a chance that the eventual decision would go against those drivers. That's what comes with the territory of elected leadership.

I still maintain that the Article 18, Section 4 language would have prevailed, but that's not my call. I also think that Liam made a justified decision and a gutsy call. I'd choose him to represent me anytime. I also still support the Local 804 Executive Board because I'm not a one issue voter. I look at the representation they've provided, the contract they've negotiated, the pension improvement they've made, and their early decision to fix the health plan problems rather than hide them as was done in the past. They've done a lot of good work and I continue to support them. Tim may never earn the title of my "beloved president", but he's more than earned the title of President.

 

[outlaw]

Why has the TDU web site taken down everything related to local 804. Not that I'm complaining BUT is Tim trying to distance himself from them to save his ass. It's to late, our eboard and TDU have ruined our local , and next Sunday the transition starts.

 

[Johney]

Let it go. They got their jobs back leave it at that.

 

[Inthegame]

I guess since I supported, and still do support, the Executive Board, and I've also quoted Article 18, Section 4 on numerous occasions, that would make me one of the "e-board loving people". Okay. I still believe that the language in Article 18, Section 4 is strong and would have been upheld by an Arbitrator or by the NLRB. The actions by UPS in Maspeth were exactly what that language was meant to address. That being said, Tim, or my "beloved president", as you call him, didn't have the luxury of judging from the sidelines. He had the burden of weighing the eventual long term impact on those 250 drivers. He may have believed, as I do, that they would have been reinstated. He may have also considered the time it may have taken and how those drivers would survive without a paycheck coming in. He may have gotten direct feedback from those drivers. He may have concluded that a guaranteed return to work with a 10 day suspension was better than risking even a chance that the eventual decision would go against those drivers. That's what comes with the territory of elected leadership.

I still maintain that the Article 18, Section 4 language would have prevailed, but that's not my call. I also think that Liam made a justified decision and a gutsy call. I'd choose him to represent me anytime. I also still support the Local 804 Executive Board because I'm not a one issue voter. I look at the representation they've provided, the contract they've negotiated, the pension improvement they've made, and their early decision to fix the health plan problems rather than hide them as was done in the past. They've done a lot of good work and I continue to support them. Tim may never earn the title of my "beloved president", but he's more than earned the title of President.

No single agent or officer should ever make that call without consulting with their board. Liam made the call in frustration and anger, which usually results in a lousy outcome, which happened. Tim made the absolute correct decision in agreeing with the settlement.

 

[Anonymous 11]

Why has the TDU web site taken down everything related to local 804. Not that I'm complaining BUT is Tim trying to distance himself from them to save his ass. It's to late, our eboard and TDU have ruined our local , and next Sunday the transition starts.

Because tdu got upstaged yet again by the international. They came in and saved the day. A hopeless situation for people was fixed by hall and the international. Why would they want to talk about that? They only focus on the negative and they can't spin it that way. So they take their ball and go home.

 

[not what i voted for]

I guess since I supported, and still do support, the Executive Board, and I've also quoted Article 18, Section 4 on numerous occasions, that would make me one of the "e-board loving people". Okay. I still believe that the language in Article 18, Section 4 is strong and would have been upheld by an Arbitrator or by the NLRB. The actions by UPS in Maspeth were exactly what that language was meant to address. That being said, Tim, or my "beloved president", as you call him, didn't have the luxury of judging from the sidelines. He had the burden of weighing the eventual long term impact on those 250 drivers. He may have believed, as I do, that they would have been reinstated. He may have also considered the time it may have taken and how those drivers would survive without a paycheck coming in. He may have gotten direct feedback from those drivers. He may have concluded that a guaranteed return to work with a 10 day suspension was better than risking even a chance that the eventual decision would go against those drivers. That's what comes with the territory of elected leadership.

I still maintain that the Article 18, Section 4 language would have prevailed, but that's not my call. I also think that Liam made a justified decision and a gutsy call. I'd choose him to represent me anytime. I also still support the Local 804 Executive Board because I'm not a one issue voter. I look at the representation they've provided, the contract they've negotiated, the pension improvement they've made, and their early decision to fix the health plan problems rather than hide them as was done in the past. They've done a lot of good work and I continue to support them. Tim may never earn the title of my "beloved president", but he's more than earned the title of President.

Good thing it wasn't your call.
Gutsy decision ok, especially when he told them they could be fired after they were in the street. You only have to be wrong once and there goes the 250.
And it doesn't look like the people involved in the decision had your opinion of Article 18 Section 4 neither did Sylvester or Reynolds the day it happened!
Your not a teamster!!!!!

 

[outlaw]

Because tdu got upstaged yet again by the international. They came in and saved the day. A hopeless situation for people was fixed by hall and the international. Why would they want to talk about that? They only focus on the negative and they can't spin it that way. So they take their ball and go home.

The 804 website is also down. TDU's own resident comie D Levine ran the web site. What now Tim are you now a Hoffa Hall supporter. Is TDU upset. As Mr. B stated the international saved the day. All TDU could do was try to to spin the TRUTH. HOFFA saved the day

 

[Big Bad Wolf]

Because tdu got upstaged yet again by the international. They came in and saved the day. A hopeless situation for people was fixed by hall and the international. Why would they want to talk about that? They only focus on the negative and they can't spin it that way. So they take their ball and go home.

TDU claimed that the public outcry and a "grass roots" campaign were the deciding factors in the 804 issue. I was a supporter of TDU in the 90's. Never again!


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[realbrown1]

TDU claimed that the public outcry and a "grass roots" campaign were the deciding factors in the 804 issue. I was a supporter of TDU in the 90's. Never again!


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Let me guess. A fair weather supporter, right?

 

[not what i voted for]

Let me guess. A fair weather supporter, right?[/quote

You are the troll.
I don't think many members were blind to the facts in this case! Maybe some Blind Faith in 804 but that is changing.

 

[Anonymous 11]

TDU claimed that the public outcry and a "grass roots" campaign were the deciding factors in the 804 issue. I was a supporter of TDU in the 90's. Never again!


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When I was young I was as well. Then it had kids experienced life and grew up. I there I also found God and started to see the good in people. TDU sees no good in anything that's not part of their own political agenda. That right there is what's wrong with the politics in our own very country. TDU people fail to put that together. Sad

 

[Anonymous 11]

The 804 website is also down. TDU's own resident comie D Levine ran the web site. What now Tim are you now a Hoffa Hall supporter. Is TDU upset. As Mr. B stated the international saved the day. All TDU could do was try to to spin the TRUTH. HOFFA saved the day

You are going to have to realize it's not about Hoffa anymore. He's a lame duck. It's now are you with Sean O'Brian and hall or against them. Don't underestimate the name hall and Sean O'Brian is a god on the east coast. For the people who like Hoffa sr and wish he was still around Sean is in that mold. He's the union tough guy that we want. A man with bravado and toughness.