Johney
Well-Known Member
Good question. I have heard of some guys still putting 1200-1300 for lunch and not taking it and getting in super early.
kingOFchester
Well-Known Member
As far as DOT is concerned as long as they don't work longer then 8.
Dracula
Package Car is cake compared to this...
The Central Region has said 3RD and 6TH hour for as long as I can remember. But that has never stopped the masses from ignoring it. So why all of the pressure now, if not because of the new rules? UPS has decided to start obeying the contract all of the sudden. All I'm saying is that FMSCA official doesn't sound like he knows his own rules--which shouldn't be a real big surprise. Everything I've read, been told and seen says package car drivers are included with feeder drivers.
Dracula
Package Car is cake compared to this...
Mainly variable cover drivers that pick different jobs every week. Example, if a VC driver picked a Mon-Fri night job one week, and either worked through, or into the Sat. 1-5AM period, he/she would no longer be able to pick a Sun-Thu job, because the driver will only be off for one of those periods,
bluehdmc
Well-Known Member
He/she could still pick a Sun-Thurs job, they just wouldn't reset. Then they would have to keep going back over the previous 7 days to see how many hours they had available. The IVIS actually can do it for you, just go into the DOT log and scroll down to the "summary" page. This tells you how many hour worked the last 7 days, the last 6 days, and how many hours available that day.
In the above example going form a Tues-Sat job to a Sun-Thurs, if they maxed out their hours they couldn't work Sun or Mon, if they only worked 40hrs Tues-Sat they would have 20hrs available Sunday and Monday, then on Tues the 8 hours they worked the previous Tues would fall off. On Wed another 8 would fall off, etc. If they worked 50 hrs Tues-Sat, they would have 10 available Sunday, and could not work Monday. Or depending on what time they finished Sat if they did not have hours available Sunday, if they had the 34hrs and two 1-5 am hrs off they would reset Sunday, this would all depend on the start time Monday.
If you violate the DOT rules and get a letter from the company, (or fine from the DOT) you learn how to figure your hour out real well. dahik.
BigUnionGuy
Got the T-Shirt
You are still thinking in "terms" of being a feeder driver.
That information is coming from the company.... right?
It's like the fallacy.... That every driver has to be able to regurgitate the safety BS and DOK....
I mean.... Everyone knows.... there is a National Grievance Decision.... And it is voluntary.
It's not a "condition of employment"......... But you know that, right?
-Bug-
kingOFchester
Well-Known Member
Brother,
I quoted from fmcsa website. I posted the link. I think it proves that we, package, are required to take 30 in 8. Very simple.
Why would UPS be pushing for us to actually take a break, when it is in their financial interest to have drivers put an unpaid lunch in their boards, but yet continue to work?
I have provided the wording from fmcsa to substantiate my argument. Can you provide something of substance to back your argument?
cachsux
Wah
If they are entering a lunch but not taking it then they are working and therefore it does not count towards the 30 min break by the 8th hour. Guys will do this until someone gets caught and the Feds will have the company enforcing lunches or paying fines. Simple as that.
It not before 8 hrs of work. It's you can't work more than 8 hrs with out taking a 30 minute brake. That big one that long haul truckers are complaining about is the 34 hr reset witch must include two period from 1 to 5 am.
Since July 1 I have seen a lot more Semi's on the the turnpike on my way to and from work....
Dracula
Package Car is cake compared to this...
Neither is the 60 hour maximum, but violate that then you are dealing with the DOT, and not a grievance panel.
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
What KOC is saying is if they put in an hour work through it but get off at 7:59 worked. It doesn't matter if they actually took 30 minutes or not.
Anonymous 10
Guest
All package car drivers are required to take a 30 minute lunch in their first eight hours. Actually before the 7:30 mark. We have an employee who is terminated in my local right now for this kind of violation. Also a driver in Kentucky was given a ticket for not adhering to this new LAW.
PT Car Washer
Well-Known Member
Cutting it kind of close ?
didyousheetit
Well-Known Member
how do you get around the 10,001 lbs. weight ?
brownmonster
Man of Great Wisdom
Feeder drivers can be big but I've never seen one go 5 tons.
cachsux
Wah
If they work 7.59 without putting a lunch in and working through it then yes it's within the guidelines. Entering a break/ lunch and working through it will be looked at as falsifying your "book" and that would be dealt with more severely than just violating the lunch rule.
kingOFchester
Well-Known Member
This is true. The HOS regulation spelled out by the FMCSA states that all though we (package car) do not need to keep a log book, the company is expected to keep accurate time logs for our work. If we are falsifying what we put in the DIAD then obviously the company is not keeping accurate time records. They can claim dumb, but they would look even more stupid for managing drivers and not realizing that they are falsifying records. Probably the most basic part of a supervisor job, in any labor intensive businesses, is verifying time worked. You compound that with all the technology UPS has implemented that clearly shows work being done when clocked out, and they would not have a foot to stand on if FMCSA started to look into hours worked in the bonus centers.
Anonymous 10
Guest
I just don't get it. It's just a thirty minute lunch what's the big deal?? Take it. The sense of entitlement makes me sick. People so entitled that the will break the law and falsify a timecard just so they don't have to take a lunch. How stupid does this sound??????
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