Obamas Preacher vs. Bushes Preacher??

BrownShark

Banned
AMEN arrow,,,, unbelievable we have people that have such hatred for the people who are directly responsible for a liberal's right (or any American) to be outspoken.... We have the greatest military on earth with the greatest people running it..... Hats off to all of our soldiers and thank you for your service... I sure hope if the **** ever hits the fan here on our soil I dont have to rely on a lib to have my back, but I'd still be there for them


Hmmm, I believe the guy running the military, was asked to resign in disgrace:

Donald Rumsfeld.

Maybe you forgot this fact.

In addition, several Generals and High ranking officers have had to leave the theatre because they disagree with the policy of the war in IRAQ and they are speaking out publicly now that they are out of the military.

Replacing them with "YES" men does not a strong military make.

Glad you feel safe, 4035 soldiers gave their lives needlessly for you to feel that way.

I am sure glad the Iraqis are not going to attack the United States again, oh wait, they never did so how could the US be fighting to protect my freedom in a country that never threatened our constitution or country?

Thats right, misinformation and the solid selling of rhetoric.

Glad you took the time to buy into in. Maybe the Bush administration has also sold you on the idea that $6.00 a gallon gas is good for the US economy?

Peace:peaceful:
 

BrownShark

Banned
AMEN arrow,,,, unbelievable we have people that have such hatred for the people who are directly responsible for a liberal's right (or any American) to be outspoken.... We have the greatest military on earth with the greatest people running it..... Hats off to all of our soldiers and thank you for your service... I sure hope if the **** ever hits the fan here on our soil I dont have to rely on a lib to have my back, but I'd still be there for them


Tourists,

I want to thank you for adding to the debate, here are some FACTS for you to digest while you wave your American Flag in the face of those trying to educate you:

Beginning in 2004, accounts of abuse, torture, sodomy[1] and homicide[2] of prisoners held in the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq (also known as Baghdad Correctional Facility) came to public attention. The acts were committed by some personnel of the 372nd Military Police Company of the United States together with additional American governmental agencies.[3] These additional agencies have been referred to as the OGA (Other Government Agencies), which is an often used euphemism for the Central Intelligence Agency.
As revealed by the 2004 Taguba Report, a criminal investigation by the US Army Criminal Investigation Command had already been underway since 2003 where multiple recruits from the 320th MP Battalion had been charged under the Uniform Code of Military Justice with prisoner abuse. In 2004 articles of the abuse, including pictures showing military personnel abusing prisoners, came to public attention, when a 60 Minutes II news report (April 28) and an article by Seymour M. Hersh in The New Yorker magazine (posted online on April 30 and published days later in the May 10 issue) reported the story.[4] Janis Karpinski, the commander of Abu Ghraib, demoted for her lack of oversight regarding the abuse, estimated later that 90% of detainees in the prison were innocent.[5]

The U.S. Department of Defense removed seventeen soldiers and officers from duty, and seven soldiers were charged with dereliction of duty, maltreatment, aggravated assault and battery. Between May 2004 and September 2005, seven soldiers were convicted in courts martial, sentenced to federal prison time, and dishonorably discharged from service. Two soldiers, Specialist Charles Graner, and his former fiancée, Specialist Lynndie England, were sentenced to ten years and three years in prison, respectively, in trials ending on January 14, 2005 and September 26, 2005. The commanding officer at the prison, Brigadier General Janis Karpinski, was demoted to the rank of Colonel on May 5, 2005. Col. Karpinski has denied knowledge of the abuses claiming that the interrogations were authorized by her superiors and performed by subcontractors, and that she was not even allowed entry into the interrogation rooms.
The abuse of detainees at Abu Ghraib was in part the reason that on April 12, 2006, the United States Army activated the 201st Military Intelligence Battalion, the first of four joint interrogation battalions.[6]

The full story can be found here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_prisoner_abuse

I dont see how this was protecting the constitution or my right to free speech??? Maybe you can explain it to us?

Peace:peaceful:
 

tourists24

Well-Known Member
Tourists24,

Ahhh, there were deaths at abu ghraib.

Do some research.

Peace.:peaceful:


Ahhh,,,, I have done plenty of research on our horrible military and the obvious dictator behind it all (George Bush right?)

The death(s) you talk about are not the result of our military or Bush. The CIA did the interrogations and yes some military people did go to jail for being idiots. A few people do stupid things and go to jail over it. They deserve that. That by no means makes our military or George Bush "evil". We are the good guys here and people who want to end the western way of life are the bad guys. We have a few bad apples but it pales in comparison what they do to us or what they do to their own people. You see any of the beheading videos of American "civilians"?
 

diesel96

Well-Known Member
We are the good guys here and people who want to end the western way of life are the bad guys.

This is the kind of Right Winged talking points drilled and plugged into the minds of gullible believers. Expand your open mind horizons and listen to the enemy. The reasons for hostility is not our way of life or our freedom as the President's Administration and Neo-cons want you to believe, it's our presence (a Christian and or secular Army) in the Middle East (their holy land) and our over whelming support of Isreal. Ron Paul was dead on with this issue and your party blew him off like an ugly stepchild.
 

tourists24

Well-Known Member
This is the kind of Right Winged talking points drilled and plugged into the minds of gullible believers. Expand your open mind horizons and listen to the enemy. The reasons for hostility is not our way of life or our freedom as the President's Administration and Neo-cons want you to believe, it's our presence (a Christian and or secular Army) in the Middle East (their holy land) and our over whelming support of Isreal. Ron Paul was dead on with this issue and your party blew him off like an ugly stepchild.

Holy cow... are you really serious? Please tell me you are not saying WE are the bad guys.

First off... the Republican party is not MY party. I am not beholden to "R" or "D". I think on my own. I DO listen to what our enemies are saying. Their hatred in us is not recent. They have always looked at ANYONE who does not believe in their version of Islam as the enemy and should be destroyed. Look at the history. It was around LONG before the US ever came about. It's not just chritianity with them. They do not accept anything but their version of right. Here in America you may get hassled about your beliefs, but you are not murdered in the name of God or any other belief you hold. We have that freedom.

You can make America out to be the bad guys here, but I for one will stand up and call US the good guys, faults and all.
 

av8torntn

Well-Known Member
Ahhh,,,, I have done plenty of research on our horrible military and the obvious dictator behind it all (George Bush right?)

The death(s) you talk about are not the result of our military or Bush. The CIA did the interrogations and yes some military people did go to jail for being idiots. A few people do stupid things and go to jail over it. They deserve that. That by no means makes our military or George Bush "evil". We are the good guys here and people who want to end the western way of life are the bad guys. We have a few bad apples but it pales in comparison what they do to us or what they do to their own people. You see any of the beheading videos of American "civilians"?


Do not worry much about BS. In another thread he falsely accused two snipers at Iskandariyah, Iraq of war crimes. In this thread he has falsely accused the Marines of Kilo company of war crimes in Haditha,falsely accused the entire military of war crimes, and now falsely accuses the former soldiers of the 201st MI at Abu G of murder.
 

brett636

Well-Known Member
This is the kind of Right Winged talking points drilled and plugged into the minds of gullible believers. Expand your open mind horizons and listen to the enemy. The reasons for hostility is not our way of life or our freedom as the President's Administration and Neo-cons want you to believe, it's our presence (a Christian and or secular Army) in the Middle East (their holy land) and our over whelming support of Isreal. Ron Paul was dead on with this issue and your party blew him off like an ugly stepchild.

What is it about appeasement that is so appealing to your kind? What makes you so naively believe that if they succeed in destroying Israel they will just stop there and dance in the streets for eternity? Let me tell you a little secret that your small leftist mind keeps you from understanding. These people like Hamas, and other military style muslim groups hate you, me, blacks, whites, Christians, non Christians, athiests, agnostics, Americans, and all non muslims. Do you really believe all that hate will go away if we simply walk away from Israel and let them have their way? Hell no it won't.

Last I checked we are the world's only superpower, and we can support, or not support, anyone that we damn well feel like. We can support a culture and a country that doesn't strap bombs to retarded women and send them out to the busy markets to blow up. We don't have to support a civilization that uses women and children as shields, and believe they have a divine order to kill anyone who doesn't believe as them. In fact we have a responsibility to support countries that are like us and fight these kind of practices.

A Time For Choosing
 

BrownShark

Banned
Brett,

You call those who present an opposite side to your point of view (small minded).

Yet you and gungho(av8) continue to press on with misformation and documented falsehoods.

Its unfortunate that people in this country bite so hard into baloney just to make themselves feel like better americans then parade around repeating claims that have provent o be false.

You just posted (in part):
We can support a culture and a country that doesn't strap bombs to retarded women and send them out to the busy markets to blow up.

This was a story the FOX news broke and ran for days, until the Defense department recanted that claim and admitting that the reporting of using retarded women was false.

This was a "reporters" opinion and was not based upon fact.

Drudge reported this first, then FOX noise repeated this story over and over until corrected by the defense department when the story could not be verified.

Unfortunately, you war mongers clamp onto stories like this to justify your positions.

Try the truth.

I know the truth doesnt work for AV8, but maybe you have a chance.

Peace.:peaceful:
 

BrownShark

Banned
Gungho (AV8)

How many times can you put your grunt issued boot in your mouth???

You called me a liar about snipers??

Army sniper convicted of murder

Shot unarmed Iraqi citizen and planted AK-47 on his body

By BRADLEY BROOKS, Associated Press
Monday, February 11, 2008


BAGHDAD - A military jury on Sunday convicted an Army sniper of murder and sentenced him to 10 years in prison for killing an Iraqi civilian who wandered into the hiding place where six soldiers were sleeping.

Sgt. Evan Vela, 24, was found guilty of murder without premeditation, of aiding and abetting in planting an AK-47 on the dead man's body and of lying to military investigators about the shooting. He had faced a possible life sentence. Vela asked the jury for mercy before it broke to decide his sentence. He apologized to the court, the Army and one of the sons of Genei Nasir al-Janabi, the man he shot with a pistol in May.
"When I came to Iraq, I didn't come to do anything wrong," Vela said, reading from a handwritten statement. "I failed my standards, your standards and the standards of the Army. All I can say is I'm sorry and ask for mercy."
Vela has been in confinement in Kuwait since July 1. That time will be credited to his sentence, the judge said. He also was sentenced to forfeit all pay and allowances and will receive a dishonorable discharge. The case was automatically referred to a military appeals court.
Vela's trial was the last of three snipers in the unit accused in a series of shooting deaths south of Baghdad that defense lawyers said happened under command pressure to increase kill counts and, perhaps, employ questionable tactics in doing so.
In September, Gary Myers, then an attorney for Vela, claimed that Army snipers in Iraq were under orders to "bait" their targets with suspicious materials, such as detonation cords, and then kill whoever picked up the items.
The Army has declined to confirm that any such program existed, saying it does not discuss tactics used in the field.
While it does not appear the alleged baiting played in this case, James Culp, Vela's attorney, and others have argued the program may have encouraged the soldiers by blurring the legal lines in a complex war zone.
Vela and several of his fellow Army snipers testified that they were confused and exhausted after more than two days of trekking in high temperatures through the rough terrain near Iskandariyah, a mostly Sunni Arab city 30 miles south of Baghdad.
On the morning of May 11, the six soldiers had gone to sleep inside their "hide" - where snipers can observe targets without being seen - when al-Janabi stumbled upon them, they recounted.
The snipers detained al-Janabi and the man's 17-year-old son Mustafa. They freed the boy, but minutes after he walked off, the commander ordered Vela to shoot the father. The soldiers said al-Janabi was making noise and they feared he was trying to attract the attention of a group of military-age males they thought they saw nearby.
"It's a simple case," said Capt. Jason Nef, one of two military prosecutors. "The reason is because Vela confessed on the stand that he lied. He confessed he killed an unarmed Iraqi."
Culp said the case was anything but simple because of the extreme mental and physical fatigue that affected the snipers' actions.
"This was an accident waiting to happen," Culp told the jury of seven men and one woman in his closing argument. "These men were extremely, extremely sleep deprived and nobody was thinking clearly."
After the verdict, Mustafa, who had testified at the court-martial, said he was impressed with the U.S. military court system. "I find the Americans have more fairness than the Arabs," he said. "Their system is so fair that even if the judge were (Vela's) family member, he would have been convicted."

i guess these are just another batch of bad apples eh gungho?

Or maybe these are just another example of american heroes that should be decorated with medals eh Brett?


AV8, how does that boot taste?

Peace:peaceful:
 

brett636

Well-Known Member
Brett,

You call those who present an opposite side to your point of view (small minded).

Yet you and gungho(av8) continue to press on with misformation and documented falsehoods.

Its unfortunate that people in this country bite so hard into baloney just to make themselves feel like better americans then parade around repeating claims that have provent o be false.

You just posted (in part):


This was a story the FOX news broke and ran for days, until the Defense department recanted that claim and admitting that the reporting of using retarded women was false.

This was a "reporters" opinion and was not based upon fact.

Drudge reported this first, then FOX noise repeated this story over and over until corrected by the defense department when the story could not be verified.

Unfortunately, you war mongers clamp onto stories like this to justify your positions.

Try the truth.

I know the truth doesnt work for AV8, but maybe you have a chance.

Peace.:peaceful:

Link? Proof? I stick the the truth mind you. I am not the one lying about having a post deleted from these forums. If someone around here needs a good dose of reality it would be you, and those like you. I believe in debate, but that debate should stick to facts, not falsehoods.
 

av8torntn

Well-Known Member
Gungho (AV8)


AV8, how does that boot taste?

Peace:peaceful:


How about the two Army snipers at Iskandariyah that you falsely accused of war crimes that were found not guilty of murder. A far cry from your original war crime tales. How does your goofy loafer taste? I suppose now you have posted so many lies that you cannot keep them straight. Come on talk about the one you accused that was found not guilty.

From ABC news.

"The court-martial that cleared a U.S. Army sniper of two counts of murder "

This man was sentenced to 5 months for leaving det cord at the scene. Leaving det cord at the scene does not make murder.

From the article you posted.

After the verdict, Mustafa, who had testified at the court-martial, said he was impressed with the U.S. military court system. "I find the Americans have more fairness than the Arabs," he said. "Their system is so fair that even if the judge were (Vela's) family member, he would have been convicted."


With that in mind how about this from the NY Times.

"A military jury found the soldier, Staff Sgt. Michael A. Hensley, 27, of the First Battalion, 501st Infantry Regiment, Fourth Brigade (Airborne), 25th Infantry Division, not guilty of murder in the three killings on separate occasions in April and May near Iskandariya. "
 
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tourists24

Well-Known Member
I knew there were the unpatriotic, hate America people around the country; it's just I dont actually meet too many of them in person or on forums like this one.... it's so depressing.

Maybe one day all of these people will have to make a choice for real if the stuff ever hits the fan.... us or them; pick a side and fight for it
 

BrownShark

Banned
Gungho,

You seem to be set on making me laugh in your face!:happy-very:

Once again, you attibute something to me that I never said, then find a story close enough to fit your slanted distorted view of honor, then post it for all to see.

This is what you posted:
How about the two Army snipers at Iskandariyah that you falsely accused of war crimes that were found not guilty of murder. A far cry from your original war crime tales. How does your goofy loafer taste? I suppose now you have posted so many lies that you cannot keep them straight. Come on talk about the one you accused that was found not guilty.

But what I really posted was this:
If you would like to open that pandoras box, I would be glad to oblige you.

In fact, as case in point, just within the last couple of weeks, trials for a sniper team have concluded with convictions and sentencing of 10 years each for a multitude of charges stemming from the murders of innocent iraqi citizens.

The sniper teams were "ordered" to lay down bomb making materials on roads while the snipers "sat in wait" and shot dead anyone picking up the materials. The dead persons were then photographed and then reported to the US military as "terrorists killed". In all cases, all killed persons were innocent civilians just at the wrong place at the wrong time.

The case is deep, and to date, only sgt levels and down have been convicted, and the superiors involved were simply reassigned and removed from the theatre.

Dont expect any medals to be handed out here.

I am an anti-IRAQ war protester. I invest heavily in researching facts and data.

You ask, i will provide,

Peace:peaceful:

Man, your spin is getting out of control, better try taking another bite out of that boot!!

Peace.
 

Overpaid Union Thug

Well-Known Member
This is the kind of Right Winged talking points drilled and plugged into the minds of gullible believers. Expand your open mind horizons and listen to the enemy. The reasons for hostility is not our way of life or our freedom as the President's Administration and Neo-cons want you to believe, it's our presence (a Christian and or secular Army) in the Middle East (their holy land) and our over whelming support of Isreal. Ron Paul was dead on with this issue and your party blew him off like an ugly stepchild.

I seem to remember Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, as well as other Muslim countries, asking us to go over their in 1990. Hmmm...yeah...they don't want us there right? LOL! And what's wrong with supporting Israel? They have every right to exist and I respect them for putting up with so much BS over there even though they have every right to open up a can of whoop ass on the surrounding countries. Oh by the way....do you know why they haven't gone off like that yet? Do you know what country constantly steps in and convinces them to show restraint? That would be the United States of America.
 

BrownShark

Banned
Hey Boot,

Here are the facts for your sniper storys:
US Army sniper acquitted of murder charges in Iraqi civilian killings
November 11, 2007

[JURIST] US Army Staff Sgt. Michael Hensley [JURIST news archive] was acquitted [AP report] at court-martial late last week of premeditated murder charges related to the separate deaths of three Iraqi civilians in April and May this year in the vicinity of Iskandariyah [GlobalSecurity.... [more]

US soldier acquitted of Iraqi civilian premeditated murder charges
September 28, 2007


[JURIST] A military panel Friday found US Army Spc. Jorge G. Sandoval not guilty of murder in the shooting deaths of three unarmed Iraqis but CONVICTED him of planting evidence to cover up the shootings. Sandoval, along with Staff Sgt. Michael A. Hensley and Sgt. Evan Vela, was charged [press.... [more]

US soldier pleads not guilty to Iraqi civilian pre-meditated murder
September 26, 2007


[JURIST] US Army Spc. Jorge G. Sandoval pleaded not guilty at his court-martial in Iraq Wednesday to charges that he and two other soldiers killed three unarmed Iraqis and then placed weapons next to the bodies. Sandoval, along with Staff Sgt. Michael A. Hensley and Sgt. Evan Vela, was charged.... [more]

US soldier rejects plea agreement on Iraqi civilian pre-meditated murder charges
August 8, 2007


[JURIST] US Staff Sgt. Michael A. Hensley has refused to accept a plea agreement [Citizen-Times report] and maintains his innocence on allegations that he and two other soldiers killed three unarmed Iraqis and then placed weapons next to the bodies, according to an interview with Hensley's mother.... [more]

Each one of these men was CHARGED with murder, but military jurisprudence CONVICTED them of lesser charges mainly because of testimony that implicated SUPERIOR OFFICERS giving them directives to shoot anyone who picked up weaponry these soldiers layed down.

Planting of evidence and falsifying a report is still a crime. The victims still remain dead and these soldiers have been punished for their participation in the crimes.

You still want to say these men are innocent??

They still killed INNOCENT people, it does not matter why, who , what & how...

Planting of evidence to cover up a crime is still murder by all accounts worldwide, unfortunately, just not in our military system of justice.

Peace.:peaceful:
 

BrownShark

Banned
Boot,

heres more detail about your innocent soldiers:


Military Jury Acquits Army Sniper of Premeditated Murder in Killings of 3 Iraqis By PAUL von ZIELBAUER
Published: November 9, 2007
The leader of an Army sniper unit was acquitted yesterday of premeditated murder charges in connection with the killings of three Iraqi men in a region south of Baghdad last spring.
A military jury found the soldier, Staff Sgt. Michael A. Hensley, 27, of the First Battalion, 501st Infantry Regiment, Fourth Brigade (Airborne), 25th Infantry Division, not guilty of murder in the three killings on separate occasions in April and May near Iskandariya.
He was found guilty of wrongfully placing an AK-47 rifle with the remains of one of the three men and of showing disrespect for a superior officer.
The verdict was handed down late yesterday evening at Camp Liberty, Iraq, the sprawling American military base where the court-martial of Sergeant Hensley, of Candler, N.C., was held. Neither Sergeant Hensley nor his parents, Christian missionaries who had returned from Macedonia this year to support their son, could be immediately reached for comment.

In an e-mail interview last month, Sergeant Hensley, an Army Ranger who was brought into the sniper unit to train other soldiers to become more deadly, said he felt bitter toward First Battalion’s two senior leaders for making him “the fall guy” for tactics they had encouraged.

“I felt betrayed by my battalion commander and command sergeant major,” he said, referring to Lt. Col. Robert Balcavage and Command Sgt. Maj. Bernie Knight, respectively. “Every last man we killed was a confirmed terrorist. We were praised when bad guys died. We were upbraided when bad guys did not die.”
Colonel Balcavage and Sergeant Major Knight could not be reached for comment.
The jury will begin deliberating today on a sentence.
Last month, a military jury found one of the other team members, Specialist Jorge G. Sandoval, not guilty of killing two men, on April 27 and May 11, but convicted him of planting evidence on one of the bodies. An evidentiary hearing for the third member of the team, Sgt. Evan Vela, who is accused of shooting a man in the head on May 11 after Sergeant Hensley captured him, is to begin later this month.
Sergeant Hensley is accused of killing a man on April 14 after reporting that he saw the man laying wire for a bomb, court documents said. He was also charged with murder in the April 27 and May 11 killings.
All three snipers’ legal cases have raised questions about how military commanders in Iraq have changed or expanded the rules for targeting and killing enemy forces in Iraq during a determined insurgency.


TACTICS??

Shooting unarned Iraqis for increased body counts??

Yeah, were the good guys.

Peace:peaceful:
 

BrownShark

Banned
More BOOT,

Since the beginning of the Iraq war, 69 U.S. service members have been charged in connection with Iraqi civilian deaths, and 31 have been convicted of a crime, according to data compiled by The Washington Post.

Murphy, who has been investigated for one such shooting, testified that snipers in the unit at times felt that they should consider placing some of the classified materials on dead bodies to legitimize shootings that they thought might draw scrutiny. While the unit felt pressure for more kills, it also felt pressure to make them all seem ironclad.
The materials reached the "painted demons" platoon of the 1st Battalion, 501st Infantry Regiment, in January, after members of the Asymmetric Warfare Group suggested using them. Officers described the program, in unclassified statements obtained by The Post, as involving the placement of the items in insurgent areas and killing those who picked them up.
The Asymmetric Warfare Group is modeled after the Army's secretive Delta Force and grew out of a decision by Army leaders in 2003 to seek new ways to counter insurgents' use of roadside bombs, snipers and suicide bombs. The group is classified by the Army as a Special Mission Unit and was formally established in January 2006.
The teams, similar to the small, Special Forces A-teams, circulate among military battalions in Iraq, where they teach new counterinsurgency tactics. A more overarching goal of the Asymmetric Warfare Group is to act as a catalyst "to change the way the Army thinks," said one Special Forces officer familiar with the group. It also analyzes new threats, generates new tactics, and identifies gaps in capabilities and equipment, according to the Army.
Retired Maj. Gen. Thomas J. Romig, a former judge advocate general for the Army, said the group's baiting program, as described publicly, opens up the possibility for indiscriminate shootings -- based on little information -- that could lead to the death of scavengers or curious passersby. He said that when troops kill civilians by mistake, it can harm the war effort.
"In those cases where there are lots of questions, sometimes shooting is not the right answer, because it has a huge potential for being indiscriminate," said Romig, now dean of the Washburn University School of Law in Kansas. "When guidance becomes fuzzy and the response is 'When in doubt, shoot,' then we have problems."
Army Maj. Gen. Richard Sherlock, director of operational planning for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said at a Pentagon briefing yesterday that he would not discuss the sniper case, but he noted that U.S. soldiers are not trained to kill indiscriminately. "The laws of land warfare do not include engaging someone simply for picking something up on the battlefield," Sherlock said.

Peace:peaceful:
 

Overpaid Union Thug

Well-Known Member
Hey Boot,

Here are the facts for your sniper storys:

So....when are you going to start searching the net to dig up some dirt on our enemy? Where are the links after links of evidence that shows the wrong doings of the many terrorists groups that our military, who you obviously hate, are fighting? Where are the paragraphs after paragraphs of psycho babble that defends the U.S. (which is where you live by the way) and our military? You seem to enjoy putting so much time and effort into demonizing your own country that I can't help but wonder why the hell you don't pack up your bags, denounce your citizenship, and move to Pakistan. I know that your kind wants the White House back so bad that you can't stand it but what you don't realize is that you have become quislings in order to justify the cause.
 

av8torntn

Well-Known Member
Gungho,



Once again, you attibute something to me that I never said, then find a story close enough to fit your slanted distorted view of honor, then post it for all to see.



Peace.

Hey Liar,


Thanks for reposting what you said I was beginning to think you were going to try and claim once again that you never said it.


"If you would like to open that pandoras box, I would be glad to oblige you.

In fact, as case in point, just within the last couple of weeks, trials for a sniper team have concluded with convictions and sentencing of 10 years each for a multitude of charges stemming from the murders of innocent iraqi citizens.

The sniper teams were "ordered" to lay down bomb making materials on roads while the snipers "sat in wait" and shot dead anyone picking up the materials. The dead persons were then photographed and then reported to the US military as "terrorists killed". In all cases, all killed persons were innocent civilians just at the wrong place at the wrong time.

The case is deep, and to date, only sgt levels and down have been convicted, and the superiors involved were simply reassigned and removed from the theatre.

Dont expect any medals to be handed out here.

I am an anti-IRAQ war protester. I invest heavily in researching facts and data.

You ask, i will provide,"



I took the liberty of putting your lies in bold. I only call them lies because you invest so heavily in researching facts and data. Otherwise I would just think you were lazy.

Lie number one. Convictions and sentencing of ten years each for the murders of innocent Iraqi citizens.

The article you posted was of one Soldier. He killed one detainee with his side arm. He claimed that the detainee was making noise to alert others of their position. You have failed to post any proof of convictions(more than one) and sentencing of ten years each(more than one) for murders(more than one). Is this because you were caught in another fib?


Lie number two was only sgt.'s level and down have been convicted. In the first article you posted a SSG was convicted of laying det cord on a dead body. How would you bait someone who is already dead? A long ways from your baiting story. He was given five months in prison. Another SSG was convicted of striking the investigating officer and was given one year in prison.

Lie number three you invest heavily in facts and data. I think this lie speaks for itself.

Oh by the way thanks for posting all those articles that prove that you lied. You did this same thing before when you lied about the Republican Guard not having any fuel or ammo with an article you posted.

So you lied about the Republican Guard not having fuel or ammo, you lied about snipers getting ten years each for baiting targets, you lied about the Marines of Kilo company going on a Rampage, you lied about everyone in the military in Iraq committing war crimes. Do you see the pattern I sure do.

Oh yes you said that the Marines changes the rules of engagement in Haditha. I would like to know what rules of engagement you think the sniper broke at Iskandariyah. I know they are classified but I am asking for entertainment because I would like to just see your lies about this also. I know what rules of engagement and it has nothing to do with shooting a detainee.
 
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