Orion, does it work and if not? Why?

[10 point]

Same way, with "their" elections.


Anyone who has tried to sign up Teamster members to DRIVE will tell you....

It's hard enough, to get members to donate a dollar a week.


They will generously give to United Way, but nothing associated with the Union.



-Bug-

Give generously? I'm not sure about your local but that doesn't summarize ours.
Giving to the DRIVE fund is not and never has been explained to most members because most don't go to monthly meetings (for multiple reasons...many of them wrong) and NO ONE shows up at our buildings to talk with members prior to start time about DRIVE. EVER.

It's a farce if you think most of that $ given to UNITED WAY is from the bargaining unit members because management is giving the lion's share of what's boasted about.

A DRIVE employee showed up at our building to pass out contract info after the first vote on the CBA failed and you would have thought he was a Buckingham Palace guard because he wouldn't talk to anyone about the contract and just stoically stood stone faced at the front door. Great DRIVE spokesman. Great way to engage folks to reciprocate support of DRIVE.
Highlighting my statement about lack of involvement in local meetings won't diffuse the argument about our local or DRIVE. People here are tired of hearing one thing at the meetings and seeing something else in hearings.
I'm not negative. I'm factual.

 

[Mugarolla]

Give generously? I'm not sure about your local but that doesn't summarize ours.
Giving to the DRIVE fund is not and never has been explained to most members because most don't go to monthly meetings (for multiple reasons...many of them wrong) and NO ONE shows up at our buildings to talk with members prior to start time about DRIVE. EVER.

It's a farce if you think most of that $ given to UNITED WAY is from the bargaining unit members because management is giving the lion's share of what's boasted about.

A DRIVE employee showed up at our building to pass out contract info after the first vote on the CBA failed and you would have thought he was a Buckingham Palace guard because he wouldn't talk to anyone about the contract and just stoically stood stone faced at the front door. Great DRIVE spokesman. Great way to engage folks to reciprocate support of DRIVE.
Highlighting my statement about lack of involvement in local meetings won't diffuse the argument about our local or DRIVE. People here are tired of hearing one thing at the meetings and seeing something else in hearings.
I'm not negative. I'm factual.

Drive. Democrat Republican Independent Voter Education.

The money goes to the Teamsters lobbying arm to lobby for union friendly politicians.

In the long run, it helps all of us. Give the dang dollar a week. I still got my hat.

 

[Lead Belly]

Do you ever read the back pages of the Teamster magazine?
Yes, organized crime.
I was however, referring to the 5 decades of TDU's existance and why it persists.

Did you notice that this thread has been viewed over 12,000 times?

Yes I read it. There is probably always going to be a few bad apples like the guys up in Minnesota or wherever with their bar or the guy down in sothern Ohio with the worlds biggest child pornography collection in the world. The 705 mess as well. TDU didn't uncover any of those. They never have anything positive to say about anything as far as the international. People with half a brain would look at their outlook on the international and see through it. If the (TDU ) had any sense at all the would mix in some praise to give them some actual credibility. Your distain for what goes on at the international is the same distain I have for TDU. They are a hate organization.

As far as this thread goes me you 10point and the Irish Appalacian probably count as about 10,000 views.

 

[5habits100]

You get a tdu stamp on you when you question the old guard, its crazy. Do you think Hoffa sr. Would let ups treat him like a buddy*.

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But you're ok with saying someone is old guard because they don't agree with you or support the current administration?

 

[5habits100]

If TDU has corrupt officers, who would even vote for who they are backing

TDU officers aren't all union. Look at their leader Ken Pfaff

 

[Bubblehead]

They never have anything positive to say about anything as far as the international. People with half a brain would look at their outlook on the international and see through it. If the (TDU ) had any sense at all the would mix in some praise to give them some actual credibility. Your distain for what goes on at the international is the same distain I have for TDU. They are a hate organization.

Then pay them no mind.
It's really that simple.
What you guys are doing is a tired diversion from talking about the real issues.

As far as this thread goes me you 10point and the Irish Appalacian probably count as about 10,000 views.

Not a chance.
People love to drive by a train wreck.

 

[Lead Belly]

TDU still sucks.

 

[oldngray]

How did an ORION thread turn into a TDU thread?

 

[10 point]

How did an ORION thread turn into a TDU thread?

Always does....sooner or later.

 

[Bubblehead]

How did an ORION thread turn into a TDU thread?

Same way they all do.
Someone asks a question or makes a statement that does something other that put the IBT on a pedestal, and they are deemed a TDU zealot and branded a heretic.

It's a circle-jerk, diversion tactic to avoid answering the tough questions.

Watch, I'll ask such a question:
What if anything came out of the National Teamster/UPS Committee for Technological Change meetings, provided for in Article 6 of the Master, before ORION was implemented and why can't I find any information or official position or instructions from the IBT on their website or my local's website in regards to ORION?

 

[Griff]

We have five women in my building that are package car drivers. The are all as tough as the men. One is arguably the best pound for pound driver in this whole country. She does a 13 to 15 hour dispatch every day she works. She used to also ride her bike 35 miles round trip 9 months out of the year also. She was military and was once attacked by a pit bull got stitched up and finished her route that same day.

I hate guys the put women down.

Best driver in the country? What a ridiculous statement. Talk about subjective. I think the person you describe is a complete raging . 13-15 hour dispatch? Let me guess she's back at 4pm everyday and falsifies her timecard by entering a fictitious lunch hour. Seen plenty of her type over the years. Worst type of driver, far from best.

 

[Ron Carey lives on]

Good point. Old guard is actually a compliment to EB we have now. A better name would be sell out corporate puppets waiting for their 3 pensions

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[5habits100]

Good point. Old guard is actually a compliment to EB we have now. A better name would be sell out corporate puppets waiting for their 3 pensions

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You shouldn't say that about Carey.

 

[5habits100]

Same way they all do.
Someone asks a question or makes a statement that does something other that put the IBT on a pedestal, and they are deemed a TDU zealot and branded a heretic.

It's a circle-jerk, diversion tactic to avoid answering the tough questions.

Watch, I'll ask such a question:
What if anything came out of the National Teamster/UPS Committee for Technological Change meetings, provided for in Article 6 of the Master, before ORION was implemented and why can't I find any information or official position or instructions from the IBT on their website or my local's website in regards to ORION?

Have you asked your local?

 

[BigUnionGuy]

Giving to the DRIVE fund is not and never has been explained to most members because most don't go to monthly meetings (for multiple reasons...many of them wrong)

All their reasons are wrong.

First of which, they are too lazy.... to go to the monthly meetings.

NO ONE shows up at our buildings to talk with members prior to start time about DRIVE. EVER.

I can understand that.

If your Local has a small % of people that contribute, why waste time there.

That falls back on your Local. And believe me.... the IBT knows.

A DRIVE employee showed up at our building to pass out contract info after the first vote on the CBA failed and you would have thought he was a Buckingham Palace guard because he wouldn't talk to anyone about the contract and just stoically stood stone faced at the front door.

There is no such thing as a "drive employee".

It was someone that works for the IBT or Joint Council.

Typically, non-UPS. (Teamster)


How comfortable would you be....

Talking with Teamsters in the bread industry, about their contract ?

Understand my point ?

People here are tired of hearing one thing at the meetings and seeing something else in hearings.

I thought they didn't go to meetings.... at your Local ?

Any Locals members here at brown cafe, are a minute percentage of the membership.



-Bug-

 

[Irishman Collins]

All their reasons are wrong.

First of which, they are too lazy.... to go to the monthly meetings.



I can understand that.

If your Local has a small % of people that contribute, why waste time there.

That falls back on your Local. And believe me.... the IBT knows.



There is no such thing as a "drive employee".

It was someone that works for the IBT or Joint Council.

Typically, non-UPS. (Teamster)


How comfortable would you be....

Talking with Teamsters in the bread industry, about their contract ?

Understand my point ?



I thought they didn't go to meetings.... at your Local ?

Any Locals members here at brown cafe, are a minute percentage of the membership.



-Bug-

The DRIVE fund is very important and all members should give to it. The money is supposed to go to lobbyist and politicians who support the labor movement. Although I believe there are two reasons that members don't give. The first being, that members especially UPS members don't trust the IBT. Second locals need to be more active getting the DRIVE message across. The only time DRIVE is solicited is when the IBT sends their people. It should be a consistent campaign by the locals.

 

[Lead Belly]

Best driver in the country? What a ridiculous statement. Talk about subjective. I think the person you describe is a complete raging . 13-15 hour dispatch? Let me guess she's back at 4pm everyday and falsifies her timecard by entering a fictitious lunch hour. Seen plenty of her type over the years. Worst type of driver, far from best.

Actually she works till about 9 pm every night. She doesn't have much of a social life is high is her choice. I don't agree with it but shee chew your face off. I did 68 stops today just under 11 hours so if this gives you some insight to not my work speed you can see where I'm going. And I d not bike 35 miles too work. Pound for pound shed work you and I under the table.

 

[Lead Belly]

Best driver in the country? What a ridiculous statement. Talk about subjective. I think the person you describe is a complete raging . 13-15 hour dispatch? Let me guess she's back at 4pm everyday and falsifies her timecard by entering a fictitious lunch hour. Seen plenty of her type over the years. Worst type of driver, far from best.

I just reread your post and they have looked for years at her timecard because she is one of the highest earning drivers anywhere and she does it right. Freak of nature. You keep waiting for her to hurt herself and it doesn't happen. She's the pound for pound best.

 

[10 point]

All their reasons are wrong.

First of which, they are too lazy.... to go to the monthly meetings.



I can understand that.

If your Local has a small % of people that contribute, why waste time there.

That falls back on your Local. And believe me.... the IBT knows.



There is no such thing as a "drive employee".

It was someone that works for the IBT or Joint Council.

Typically, non-UPS. (Teamster)


How comfortable would you be....

Talking with Teamsters in the bread industry, about their contract ?

Understand my point ?



I thought they didn't go to meetings.... at your Local ?

Any Locals members here at brown cafe, are a minute percentage of the membership.



-Bug-

I understand your point. Thanks for taking the time to explain it.

The members no longer go to the meetings. We (a large percentage of drivers) went to a meeting to start showing support and get involved when the pkg car steward changed in our building. Our Business Agent stood up in front of the drivers and told them they needed to start filing grievances on a certain issue ... and they did.

When the first driver (who filed the first grievance under the direction of the business agent) went to his hearing the business agent told the labor manager that he was going to withdraw the grievance. For no reason. It was a valid grievance about supervisors working and the business agent did not have enough spine to stand up for the member in front of his buddy labor manager. That driver was very angry about what the BA did and from then on none of the drivers would go to meetings or believe anything the BA said.

I am NOT blowing you smoke. There are witnesses to more issues just like this one. The bridge has been burned so many times that there's no wood left to start over.

There's not enough members to vote him out so we just suffer under his abuse and lies.

We had never even heard of TDU until this CBA was presented and to be honest, this local representation made TDU a credible source because.....
the BA is not credible. He's the labor manager's buddy and its evident that he prefers that to our support and trust.

So BUG, please forgive me if I don't totally understand the inner workings of the IBT and DRIVE but our BA likes to keep us in the dark, uneducated, and ignorant so he can play his games.
If we had someone we could trust, was honest, and that we new was prounion life would change 180°.
Right now, it sucks and has for years under this "representation".
Thanks for your time.

 

[Bubblehead]

Have you asked your local?

Is that how it works?
Don't ask, don't tell?