Political Correctness Getting Out Of Hand

govols019

You smell that?
Wow, you're right. The ACLU hates you and hates America. How have I been so blind?

I don't want government wasting any of my tax dollars on buying, presenting or keeping up religious symbols regardless of what faith it is. That's not their reason for being. You want to see religious symbols? Go to your church.
 

Overpaid Union Thug

Well-Known Member
Wow, you're right. The ACLU hates you and hates America. How have I been so blind?

I don't want government wasting any of my tax dollars on buying, presenting or keeping up religious symbols regardless of what faith it is. That's not their reason for being. You want to see religious symbols? Go to your church.

So let me get this straight...Religious symbols are to be hidden out of public view? Kept only in the churches? Hmm...It'll take me a while to find that one in the constitution.
 

Jones

fILE A GRIEVE!
Staff member
I don't think the goverment, local or national, should be able to establish a religion but they should be able to display symbols when the majority of the population is of that particular faith.
If the government chooses to allow the dislay of symbols of one particular faith while disallowing the display of symbols from other faiths, isn't that the same as endorsing that faith? From one of the articles you linked:

"If any person was allowed to place a permanent, free-standing expression of his or her religious or political viewpoint at this site, we would have no objection," said Eliasberg, "but that is not the case here. No other group is allowed to erect a religious symbol. This creates a situation in which the federal government favors Christian expression over any other."

 

Overpaid Union Thug

Well-Known Member
If the government chooses to allow the dislay of symbols of one particular faith while disallowing the display of symbols from other faiths, isn't that the same as endorsing that faith? From one of the articles you linked:

"If any person was allowed to place a permanent, free-standing expression of his or her religious or political viewpoint at this site, we would have no objection," said Eliasberg, "but that is not the case here. No other group is allowed to erect a religious symbol. This creates a situation in which the federal government favors Christian expression over any other."


The First Amendment states that the government cannot make laws that establishes a state religion or laws that prefers a state religion. If there is a Cross in a government building that doesn't mean it is a law that everyone there should have to be Christians. It really is a simple concept. The ACLU is a communist group so I don't really expect them to think logically. If they had it there way this country would be a socialist country.

ACLU

WorldNetDaily: ACLU fulfilling communist agenda

Conservative Culture � ACLU’s Communist Roots - Blogburst
 
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wkmac

Well-Known Member
Tell Em' Big Arrow! That commie ACLU should just be shot on the spot. Even in Texas they are sticking they're commie noses in local business in an ongoing effort to destroy the Constitution, freedom, liberty of the individual and impose tryannical communist despotism on all of us! We should deport their :censored2: with all the illegals. Whose with me?

Reason Magazine - Hit & Run > The ACLU Defends Gun Rights

It's so easy to take the red herring bait and run with it until you look at the entire picture to see all there is to see. As a husband to a wife whose been a para-legal for nearly 30 years and knowing Ooo some many attorneys, a complete look at the ACLU's case history will show many more cases that you will vastly agree with than not. I've seen ACLU lawyers defend Christians against the state on a variety of fronts concerning parental rights, I've seen them defend property rights of the little guy against a so-called conservative judicial system willing to allow misues of eminent domain to seize property under the name of the state and then give it to private developers for the soul purpose of high tax revenue returns from so-called better property use. Wake up America because you really don't own your lands like you think.

There's a neighbor of Big and he decides to fight the system and not pay his property tax. The situation esculates and the local gov't comes to seize the property from the rebellious idiot. Big is right there the whole time cheering them on defending the position of the gov't to tax property and the citizen's duty to pay such tax in order for the gov't to function. This yearly rent called a tax he extolls to all is proper and just which the gov't needs the money to do those things he thinks should be done especially since he's a part of the "majority". At the same time he publically decries those ACLU scum as Trotskite Communist out to destroy his world but Big just has always ignored the fact that what he defends was the 1st plank in what Karl Marx described as a methodolgy to take a free and open society to a communist one. Here's plank #1 my friend.

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.

There is no private property as all must pay a annual rent called a tax that if you research from it's legal foundation it dates in western law back to feudal times when the Lord's of empire charged the peasants a annual use fee in order to grow food that they might survive. The Lords were divine by law as a result of birth and blood but we've grown from such primitive societial forms and now we mandate these divine rights of Kings via the process of democracy but the manipulation and abuse is still the very same thing. Wise ole Solomon said, "there is nothing new under the sun" and man was he dead on the money!

Also what you tend to not judge on the surface is how specific laws or actions came to past. I dare say there are many things that I'd like to see change but if someone was elected President and by his official decree alone and without respect for the process called for in the Constitution, he declared me exempt from all taxes I'd have to oppose such actions. If I stood by and gladly accepted this status, the resulting precedence over the longterm and to resulting generations (my kids and grandkids specifically)to come could damage if not totally undermine the entire Constitutionally mandated process and as a result what's left of our inalienable rights under the organic Constitution could be washed away forever and not there for them to enjoy. Precedence can be a very dangerous weapon and what appears as a surface crack in the door that seems of no concern over time can blow the doors completely off it's hinges. Then the door is beyond repair and nothing will hold out the bad elements. What you percieve as hatred of the military by some is in reality those of us seeing a crack in the door and understanding precedence and how it works, a huge, looming problem in the coming years ahead as others take power and enlarge that new foundation of power.

That very communist ACLU lawyer that you fondly trash talk of might ironically be the only thing to keep you from the very system you alledge that lawyer is trying to instill. Are they perfect? Oh no, they commit their sins as well but it's not some overt or even covert communist conspiracy as the likes of the John Birch Society for example have alledged for 40 plus years. Besides, the otherside of the coin is the current empirical facist you adamptly defend at every turn so the way I see it, what's the difference anyway. Either system is destructive to the individual in the end but that's really important now is it as long as you are convinced you are safe from muslim loonies, nasty illegals and pinko commie fags.
Right?

Don't fret Big because the good news is I'm a minority of one so my asinine, insane thinking will never get anywhere and will in the few years ahead die with me and follow me to the grave and your pogeny can rule the world in unbridded power and glory free to be masters of all. To borrow a phrase from early 70's Black Sabbath, you will be a "Master Of you own Reality" and we shall be your "Children of the Grave."

:thumbup1:
 

Overpaid Union Thug

Well-Known Member
Tell Em' Big Arrow! That commie ACLU should just be shot on the spot. Even in Texas they are sticking they're commie noses in local business in an ongoing effort to destroy the Constitution, freedom, liberty of the individual and impose tryannical communist despotism on all of us! We should deport their :censored2: with all the illegals. Whose with me?

Reason Magazine - Hit & Run > The ACLU Defends Gun Rights

It's so easy to take the red herring bait and run with it until you look at the entire picture to see all there is to see. As a husband to a wife whose been a para-legal for nearly 30 years and knowing Ooo some many attorneys, a complete look at the ACLU's case history will show many more cases that you will vastly agree with than not. I've seen ACLU lawyers defend Christians against the state on a variety of fronts concerning parental rights, I've seen them defend property rights of the little guy against a so-called conservative judicial system willing to allow misues of eminent domain to seize property under the name of the state and then give it to private developers for the soul purpose of high tax revenue returns from so-called better property use. Wake up America because you really don't own your lands like you think.

There's a neighbor of Big and he decides to fight the system and not pay his property tax. The situation esculates and the local gov't comes to seize the property from the rebellious idiot. Big is right there the whole time cheering them on defending the position of the gov't to tax property and the citizen's duty to pay such tax in order for the gov't to function. This yearly rent called a tax he extolls to all is proper and just which the gov't needs the money to do those things he thinks should be done especially since he's a part of the "majority". At the same time he publically decries those ACLU scum as Trotskite Communist out to destroy his world but Big just has always ignored the fact that what he defends was the 1st plank in what Karl Marx described as a methodolgy to take a free and open society to a communist one. Here's plank #1 my friend.

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.

There is no private property as all must pay a annual rent called a tax that if you research from it's legal foundation it dates in western law back to feudal times when the Lord's of empire charged the peasants a annual use fee in order to grow food that they might survive. The Lords were divine by law as a result of birth and blood but we've grown from such primitive societial forms and now we mandate these divine rights of Kings via the process of democracy but the manipulation and abuse is still the very same thing. Wise ole Solomon said, "there is nothing new under the sun" and man was he dead on the money!

Also what you tend to not judge on the surface is how specific laws or actions came to past. I dare say there are many things that I'd like to see change but if someone was elected President and by his official decree alone and without respect for the process called for in the Constitution, he declared me exempt from all taxes I'd have to oppose such actions. If I stood by and gladly accepted this status, the resulting precedence over the longterm and to resulting generations (my kids and grandkids specifically)to come could damage if not totally undermine the entire Constitutionally mandated process and as a result what's left of our inalienable rights under the organic Constitution could be washed away forever and not there for them to enjoy. Precedence can be a very dangerous weapon and what appears as a surface crack in the door that seems of no concern over time can blow the doors completely off it's hinges. Then the door is beyond repair and nothing will hold out the bad elements. What you percieve as hatred of the military by some is in reality those of us seeing a crack in the door and understanding precedence and how it works, a huge, looming problem in the coming years ahead as others take power and enlarge that new foundation of power.

That very communist ACLU lawyer that you fondly trash talk of might ironically be the only thing to keep you from the very system you alledge that lawyer is trying to instill. Are they perfect? Oh no, they commit their sins as well but it's not some overt or even covert communist conspiracy as the likes of the John Birch Society for example have alledged for 40 plus years. Besides, the otherside of the coin is the current empirical facist you adamptly defend at every turn so the way I see it, what's the difference anyway. Either system is destructive to the individual in the end but that's really important now is it as long as you are convinced you are safe from muslim loonies, nasty illegals and pinko commie fags.
Right?

Don't fret Big because the good news is I'm a minority of one so my asinine, insane thinking will never get anywhere and will in the few years ahead die with me and follow me to the grave and your pogeny can rule the world in unbridded power and glory free to be masters of all. To borrow a phrase from early 70's Black Sabbath, you will be a "Master Of you own Reality" and we shall be your "Children of the Grave."

:thumbup1:

What? LOL. I don't care that the ACLU has done good things. It's the many bad things they are doing that stands out. I mean come on...DEFENDING NAMBLA FOR CHRIST'S SAKE! I'll give them one thing though. At least on that one they don't need to twist the constitution to make their case. Unfortunately the constitution does protect such garbage. With the many cases against religious symbols they are doing nothing but misinterpreting the constitution. And it's not just their fault though. Liberal judges play a part in that as well. And yes...both sides of the coin are destructive but I definately feel safer with the alleged "empirical facists" in control.
 

SeniorGeek

Below the Line
Responding to a post about a government agency within the U.S. that allows display of one religion's symbols while excluding all others,
The First Amendment states that the government cannot make laws that establishes a state religion or laws that prefers a state religion.
The issue here appears to be the word "law". This post appears to be saying that the First Amendment applies only to writing laws - as if government is prohibited from putting something in writing, but can do whatever it pleases. This is like saying that the Second Amendment applies only to government troops.

Any rules imposed by a government authority and/or enforced on the behalf of a government are laws. A government enacts a budget by passing a law, and any official administrative action is a law.

Even if this applied to written/criminal/civil laws only, the Fourteenth Amendment's equal-protection clause expands the meaning.
If there is a Cross in a government building that doesn't mean it is a law that everyone there should have to be Christians. It really is a simple concept.
The court case is about a government that is denying equal religious expression. Maybe they are afraid of the power of a noodly appendage?

If there is a naked statue, it doesn't mean there is a law that everyone there has to get naked, or even believe in public nakedity. It really is a simplistic concept!
The ACLU is a communist group so I don't really expect them to think logically. If they had it there way this country would be a socialist country.

ACLU
...is a website that points out that the ACLU was led by a communist until 1950. (IIRC, the IBT voted out their communist founders in the 1940s. Unless you count Ron Carey, who was supported by at least two openly Socialist organizations.)
I got a good laugh out of the ACLU agenda item to teach "Russian history since the communists took over" in place of US History. Russia's history teaches us what is wrong with left-wing totalitarianism, just as Nazi party history teaches us what is wrong with right-wing totalitarianism.

Current events in totalitarian-capitalist Russia are bad enough, with hardline right-wingers arranging for assassinations of members of the press.

Of course, learning US History teaches us that we have not always done the right thing - but we strive to improve.
Conservative Culture � ACLU’s Communist Roots - Blogburst
Once I was able to take my eyes off the soft-porn advertising, I find that this guy's standards would also condemn the IBT: "Does the ACLU’s communist founding mean anything about what the ACLU is today? Well, if you plant a lemon seed would you expect the tree to produce peaches?"

Now, I am going to see what other advertisers they have....
 

wkmac

Well-Known Member
Unfortunately the constitution does protect such garbage.

You speak against communists and suggest such systems be of a horrific nature and I would completely agree but then I see you make statements like the one above and get cold chills of the totalitarian system you might impose if we found you in charge one day!

As I said in my earlier post which still holds true:

Besides, the otherside of the coin is the current empirical facist you adamptly defend at every turn so the way I see it, what's the difference anyway.

A Tyrrant is a Tyrrant is a Tyrrant no matter what system or means of control of the individual you happen to use. Well hooray for the ACLU in keeping the 2nd amendment alive because whether it be islamic nutjob or the so-called christian variety, it sure sounds like one day we'd need them.

Keep the powder dry boys!

Hey Big, you aren't related to Torquemada are you?
 

Overpaid Union Thug

Well-Known Member
You speak against communists and suggest such systems be of a horrific nature and I would completely agree but then I see you make statements like the one above and get cold chills of the totalitarian system you might impose if we found you in charge one day!

As I said in my earlier post which still holds true:



A Tyrrant is a Tyrrant is a Tyrrant no matter what system or means of control of the individual you happen to use. Well hooray for the ACLU in keeping the 2nd amendment alive because whether it be islamic nutjob or the so-called christian variety, it sure sounds like one day we'd need them.

Keep the powder dry boys!

Hey Big, you aren't related to Torquemada are you?


You have no idea what you are talking about at this point. Just ranting. What exactly is your point? Do you or do you not support the ACLU? Do you or do you not agree that by supposedly protecting all of our civil liberties they are actually taking them away? What makes you think I would invoke totalitarian rule? Where are you comming up with this crap?! You seem to be a smart guy. Someone that has all his marbles in place. It just seems that you try to hard. It sounds like...oh I dont know...maybe Al Pacino in his movies during one of his ranting speeches. Look, lets keep this simple. The ACLU does allot of good things. BUT! I can't help ignore all of the bad things that they do. And where do you get off asking me if I'm related to someone that persecuted Jews?
 

SeniorGeek

Below the Line
Our chief weapon is surprise!
...and fear. Our two chief weapons are fear and surprise...and an almost fanatical devotion to our work.

That's three. Our three chief weapons are surprise, fear and an almost fanatical devotion to our work. And brown outfits.

That's four! I think I need to start over.
 
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