Since there is no General Discussions forum, and the thread that triggered this is closed, I will post this here. This will probably be my only post in this thread, as I am not asking a question nor have anything else to add. If you do not have a relevant or constructive comment, I suggest you keep it to yourself and let the thread die. I'll preface this with two quotes from the recently closed thread. I am not looking to continue the topic previously discussed. Please do not argue here. Respect goes both ways. If you treat new forum members like crap, what do you expect in return? Respect? Respect is earned, not through age or seniority, but based on the words that come out of your mouth, or in the case of the Internet, the words you type. Many of the old timers on this forum deserve no respect. The crap that oozes out of their minds is no better the crap that oozes out of management's mouths. Their comments are as imbecilic and "trollish" as those from the new members they bash. They show no respect to new members, yet demand it in return. This a public forum - not just a resource for potentially useful information, but a place where people come to talk. A new member asks a question that has been asked a thousand times before him. So what? He's here because most of us work at UPS, and he wants to talk. Rather than disrespecting that person, how about you consider not responding to the thread? What a novel concept. Save that for someone who does want to respond accordingly. There are plenty of people here who do not mind answering the same question(s) fifty times.