Ron Carey, You've been indicted

tieguy

Banned
=
=And you can honestly tell me that Daddy's influences didn't land Jimmy P.
where he is today?

Sammie I don't understand that point. Jimmy sr's connections have him buried in an early grave. I don't think dads influence did anything for him. His name probably helped more then anything.

Carey used no one to get as far as he got.

Hoffa's smear campaign against Carey didn't work. Carey wasn't indicted. Remember when you all won greviences under Carey's leadership? Remember when you didn't get fired for a fatality that
the police didn't even charge you for? Or for looking the wrong way
at somebody? The union is not nearly as strong as it once was and I don't think I'm going to blame Carey for that.

Carey had plenty of help. You don't run one of the most powerfull unions in ny without plenty of help both above and below board. Carey didn't get banned because of jimmy jr. Carey got banned ( decision supported by the court of appeals) because his I didn't know about the money laundering scheme with the dnc was totally unbelievable. I think its great for him that he escaped prison time but he's no choir boy. Strong leader yes, choir boy no.
 

TheVoice

United Prole. Socialist
Carey had plenty of help. You don't run one of the most powerfull unions in ny without plenty of help both above and below board. Carey didn't get banned because of jimmy jr. Carey got banned ( decision supported by the court of appeals) because his I didn't know about the money laundering scheme with the dnc was totally unbelievable. I think its great for him that he escaped prison time but he's no choir boy. Strong leader yes, choir boy no.

I would agree with that statement.
 

705red

Browncafe Steward
I agree its not the issue. I keep hearing that Carey was fired by UPS at some point. Does ANYONE have an explanation for his 'unjust' termination? Seeing as how he was so p*ssed at UPS and so led the crippling '97 strike, I'd think SOMEONE would know WHY he was fired! An explanation from a Teamster and a UPS perspective would be nice. -Rocky
You must be a drama major, lol. How was the 97 strike crippling? We the members have made out due to the 97 strike. We now have more ftime jobs, better pay, crap 97 was the only contract since 82 the ptimers received a starting pay raise. This company is now more profitable even with our CRIPPLING salaries! LOL
 

RockyRogue

Agent of Change
You must be a drama major, lol. How was the 97 strike crippling? We the members have made out due to the 97 strike. We now have more ftime jobs, better pay, crap 97 was the only contract since 82 the ptimers received a starting pay raise. This company is now more profitable even with our CRIPPLING salaries! LOL

No, actually, I was an English major as an undergrad. My Masters is in an Information Management-type field. And no, UPS is no where NEAR my list of possible employers after graduation.

I think you took my 'crippling' comment out of context. I meant that as far as domestic commerce and American business. -Rocky
 

Cole

Well-Known Member
That was old since it mentioned he was "going to be indicted".

There is no reason to doubt that Hoffa's campaign was guilty of corrupt practices, since his faction of the union bureaucracy includes officials from many of the most notoriously gangster-ridden locals.

I can't remember exactly what but Hoffa was found to have gotten money from shady sources, but he was allowed to run, and Carey wasn't! Can't imagine why?

My opinion, Hoffa would and now has given the Compnay what it wanted, Carey did not, and I don't think would have, especially not by keeping the members in the dark while they meet behind closed doors with mangmnt etc...
 

gandydancer

Well-Known Member
Yeah! What led up to the suspension for being 4 minutes late? I am sure you and Ron Carey are innocent of all charges!

Oh, yeah. They "suspended" me, then "fired" me. I must have done something really bad. Couldn't have been some {censored} suit going over the top. Not at UPS!
 
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UPS Lifer

Well-Known Member
Oh, yeah. They "suspended" me, then "fired" me. I must have done something really bad. Couldn't have been some {censored} suit going over the top. Not at UPS!

Gandy,
Hope you can keep it clean from here on out. I still have not heard what led up to the suspension. Nobody just suspends someone for being 4 minutes late. My guess is you won't copt to what really happened because you won't take any responsibility for your actions. Sorry if that strikes a nerve.

I have read a lot of posts from non-mgmt that are bashing management for bashing non-mgmt....and this goes both ways!

I guess one of my biggest beefs happens with both sides (mgmt/non-mgmt). When either mgmt or non-mgmt make a 100% turn on the other side because of a few bad apples. When did we get so jaded to think that a few bad apples on either side is what everyone is like... or are some just so close minded that they just can't see there are many great individuals that really do care. What is it going to take to change this attitude????
 

local804

Well-Known Member
UPS Division manager from 804 area taken out of building by Federal agents during the past weeks. JP, you have been indicted!!!!


lol lol lol
 
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JonFrum

Guest
Re: Ron Carey, You've been VINDICATED!

heres some interesting stuff posted on teamster net of all places. While it appears to be more guilt by association type material it does provide some interesting info on a guy alleged to have cleaned up mob influences in the teamsters union.

FACT: [Smear]
FACT: [Smear]
FACT: [Smear]
FACT: [Smear]
FACT: [Smear]
FACT: [Smear]
FACT: [Smear]
FACT: [Smear]
MORE FACTS: [More Smears]

Posting these smears is a new low, even for you, Trollguy. You even admit that ". . . it appears to be more guilt by association. . ." and that it comes from TeamsterNet which is a hangout for those who favor Teamster crimes and criminals of the organized (and disorganized) variety. It's part of the campaign Hoffa and the Old Guard have been wageing for years to discredit Ron Carey. Carey tried to clean up the Teamsters, but unfortunately, he had to deal with various corrupt officers because they were, rightly or wrongly, legally entitled to hold office. Other times, he was unaware of their crimes, as their wrongdoing would not come to light until later. Still other times, he had to treat a suspected person as "innocent until proven guilty" because the suspect had not yet been formally charged, or because he had not yet been convicted.

Hoffa and the Old Guard would throw mud and hope at least some would stick. They issued endless press- release smears and knew some lazy, or anti-Carey, reporters would take the bait and reprint it. This gives the smears a degree of unearned respectability. They then quote the published material themselves as if it is real news, when they themselves were the original source.

Take the John Long prosecution you cite, for just one example. Carey was a witness for the prosecution, against John Long! As is standard proceedure, Carey received immunity. That's so Long couldn't try and turn the tables and blame Carey for Long's crimes, or try to "share" the blame with Carey to lighten Long's own guilt. That standard immunity deal did not in any way suggest Carey was involved in any crime. Indeed, it kept the focus on Long, where it belonged, and reduced Long's wiggle room. Carey was required to testify to "the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth," and to answer all questions fully. Carey was performing a public service, doing his civic duty, yet dubbing him "Mr. Immunity" makes it seem that he was guilty of some crime and was given a "stay out of jail free card" in exchange for testifing against his "co-conspiritor." The smear spreaders know the uninformed public will make such a totally unjustified inference.

As always, Tie, if you have any proof of any crime by Ron Carey, please, please post your evidence.

For an eyewitness account of Ron Carey's trial, and proof that the "evidence" against him was bogus, (the same "evidence" the bamboozled IRB earlier relied on to ban him for life!) start reading here:
http://www.browncafe.com/community/threads/97-flashback.118482/
 
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JonFrum

Guest
Re: Ron Carey, You've been VINDICATED

Once again, Ron Carey's expulsion was upheld by the Second Circuit Court of Appeals. . .

Those of us who defend Ron Carey are claiming that the IRB made fatal mistakes by believing the testimony of several shady operators who's testimony was later proved false at Carey's perjury trial. The IRB banned Carey for life based on lies they believed at the time to be true.

When a case is appealed, it is not retried. The "facts" of the case are assumed to be true. Only a narrow point or two of law or procedure is up for review.

The fact that the IRB decision was upheld on appeal only applies to whatever points of law or procedure were raised in the appeal. And even there, it only means the IRB was "neither arbitrary or capricious."

If the original IRB decision was based on now-proven lies, then the IRB should admit it, reverse themselves, make Ron Carey whole, and spend the rest of their life appologizing and groveling.
 

tieguy

Banned
Re: Ron Carey, You've been VINDICATED!

Posting these smears is a new low, even for you, Trollguy. You even admit that ". . . it appears to be more guilt by association. . ." and that it comes from TeamsterNet which is a hangout for those who favor Teamster crimes and criminals of the organized (and disorganized) variety. It's part of the campaign Hoffa and the Old Guard have been wageing for years to discredit Ron Carey. Carey tried to clean up the Teamsters, but unfortunately, he had to deal with various corrupt officers because they were, rightly or wrongly, legally entitled to hold office. Other times, he was unaware of their crimes, as their wrongdoing would not come to light until later. Still other times, he had to treat a suspected person as "innocent until proven guilty" because the suspect had not yet been formally charged, or because he had not yet been convicted.

Hoffa and the Old Guard would throw mud and hope at least some would stick. They issued endless press- release smears and knew some lazy, or anti-Carey, reporters would take the bait and reprint it. This gives the smears a degree of unearned respectability. They then quote the published material themselves as if it is real news, when they themselves were the original source.

Take the John Long prosecution you cite, for just one example. Carey was a witness for the prosecution, against John Long! As is standard proceedure, Carey received immunity. That's so Long couldn't try and turn the tables and blame Carey for Long's crimes, or try to "share" the blame with Carey to lighten Long's own guilt. That standard immunity deal did not in any way suggest Carey was involved in any crime. Indeed, it kept the focus on Long, where it belonged, and reduced Long's wiggle room. Carey was required to testify to "the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth," and to answer all questions fully. Carey was performing a public service, doing his civic duty, yet dubbing him "Mr. Immunity" makes it seem that he was guilty of some crime and was given a "stay out of jail free card" in exchange for testifing against his "co-conspiritor." The smear spreaders know the uninformed public will make such a totally unjustified inference.

As always, Tie, if you have any proof of any crime by Ron Carey, please, please post your evidence.

For an eyewitness account of Ron Carey's trial, and proof that the "evidence" against him was bogus, (the same "evidence" the bamboozled IRB earlier relied on to ban him for life!) start reading here:
http://www.browncafe.com/community/threads/97-flashback.118482/

I imagine its been tough for you john . Here you probably sold your soul to the carey camp only to find out he is as crooked as they come.

You have to realize the carey folks used you just like you use this site.
 

tieguy

Banned
come on now

Lol this thread just keeps popping up.

One other impression of Carey I never brought up before. I can remember him talking the tough talk with that faggy sounding voice of his. I used to laugh everytime I heard him on TV. Add that to some of the ill suited speakers the company rolled out and it almost appeared we had cartoon type characters leading us.
 
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