The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming!

vantexan

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quote me saying that then

im saying NATO is why russia invaded, not that invasion is legal

is it ever right to kill civilians? 9/11? a nuclear bomb in japan? i dont think so because civilians dont agree with the actions of their govt.
No it isn't right but it's often a byproduct of war. But you explicitly blamed NATO for Russia invading, so essentially anything that the Russians did was on NATO.
 

rickyb

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No it isn't right but it's often a byproduct of war. But you explicitly blamed NATO for Russia invading, so essentially anything that the Russians did was on NATO.
its unlikely russia wouldve invaded were it not for NATO, so there you go.

thats a separate issue from killing civilians
 

vantexan

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its unlikely russia wouldve invaded were it not for NATO, so there you go.

thats a separate issue from killing civilians
The Baltic countries and Finland are all up against Russia. What makes Ukraine special? Russia didn't invade because the Ukrainians wanted to join NATO. Russia wanted Ukraine's wealth, primarily its agriculture. And Putin wants to dominate his neighbors.
 

rickyb

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The Baltic countries and Finland are all up against Russia. What makes Ukraine special? Russia didn't invade because the Ukrainians wanted to join NATO. Russia wanted Ukraine's wealth, primarily its agriculture. And Putin wants to dominate his neighbors.
maybe if you listened to lawrence wilkerson you would know why russia can not let ukraine join NATO which is a hostile US led military alliance

america dominates as well more so than putin.
 

vantexan

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maybe if you listened to lawrence wilkerson you would know why russia can not let ukraine join NATO which is a hostile US led military alliance

america dominates as well more so than putin.
Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and Finland all border Russia and all have joined NATO. NATO could put missiles in those countries as well as other Eastern European countries. So what's special about Ukraine?
 

Thebrownblob

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lawrence wilkerson
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rickyb

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You missed my point. Greece ran their economy into the ground.
No. You seem to think people with one job title can only do 1 job. greece did not run their economy to the ground, the banks and germany did that. yanis was elected when greece already was in economic depression bc of austerity, he resigned when the party leader refused to write off the debts which are unpayable btw
 

vantexan

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No. You seem to think people with one job title can only do 1 job. greece did not run their economy to the ground, the banks and germany did that. yanis was elected when greece already was in economic depression bc of austerity, he resigned when the party leader refused to write off the debts which are unpayable btw
You know what happens when you write off debt instead of paying it back? You can't get more loans. We've gone over this before. Greece borrowed a lot of money in order to create a workers paradise. The banks didn't force them to do anything. They took on the debt, they couldn't pay it back, and had to go through austerity measures because of it. There's no free lunch.
 

rickyb

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You know what happens when you write off debt instead of paying it back? You can't get more loans. We've gone over this before. Greece borrowed a lot of money in order to create a workers paradise. The banks didn't force them to do anything. They took on the debt, they couldn't pay it back, and had to go through austerity measures because of it. There's no free lunch.
You can get debt after you write it off

A debt that cant be reoaid needs to be written off.

The bible encourages debt write downs

You need to look up chomsky, michael hudson, richard wolff, and yanis regarding the greek econony. get your head out of the sand. bankers and german govt are not your friends
 

vantexan

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You can get debt after you write it off

A debt that cant be reoaid needs to be written off.

The bible encourages debt write downs

You need to look up chomsky, michael hudson, richard wolff, and yanis regarding the greek econony. get your head out of the sand. bankers and german govt are not your friends
You can't just write off sovereign debt without major blows to your economy. It's not a car loan. And banks could fail if they lend out that kind of money and aren't repaid. And the Bible discourages theft.
 

rickyb

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You can't just write off sovereign debt without major blows to your economy. It's not a car loan. And banks could fail if they lend out that kind of money and aren't repaid. And the Bible discourages theft.
Paying unpayable debt is a major blow to the economy

Ahhh yesss banks couldve failed you are getting to the root of the problem
 

vantexan

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Paying unpayable debt is a major blow to the economy

Ahhh yesss banks couldve failed you are getting to the root of the problem
Banks failing affects everyone. If you can't pay back the debt then don't borrow. Do you expect banks to keep giving Greece new loans and watch them default again? And then give them more money, endlessly? Is it so important to you to have the workers paradise that you would ruin everyone else to have it?
 

rickyb

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Banks failing affects everyone. If you can't pay back the debt then don't borrow. Do you expect banks to keep giving Greece new loans and watch them default again? And then give them more money, endlessly? Is it so important to you to have the workers paradise that you would ruin everyone else to have it?
hey smarty pants, the bail outs went to the greek govt but then immediately to french and german banks. it was a bank bail out

secondly, germany's debts was forgiven after wwII and it experienced an economic miracle after because no debts were hampering the economy. the greeks forgave the german debt i believe. now its time to return the favor. that goes against what you said about debt forgiveness.

if you cant pay back the debt then it doesnt matter if you borrow more thats besides the point. debts that cant be repaid, wont.
 

vantexan

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hey smarty pants, the bail outs went to the greek govt but then immediately to french and german banks. it was a bank bail out

secondly, germany's debts was forgiven after wwII and it experienced an economic miracle after because no debts were hampering the economy. the greeks forgave the german debt i believe. now its time to return the favor. that goes against what you said about debt forgiveness.

if you cant pay back the debt then it doesnt matter if you borrow more thats besides the point. debts that cant be repaid, wont.
You are literally saying that a country like Greece can borrow money and not repay it repeatedly. Why did Greece get into financial trouble? Because they spent all the money on programs they created with no hope of paying it back. It's one thing when a country gets in hot water because of a widespread economic downturn and their revenue dries up. It's altogether a different situation when the countries around it are being responsible but Greece decided to overspend in hopes that it would all work out somehow. Not responsible, and the banks who are loaning out their depositors' money have a right and responsibility to get what they loaned repaid to them. You're just mad because a country was finally building the dream world you envision and when it unraveled you want to blame others for not propping it up.
 

rickyb

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You are literally saying that a country like Greece can borrow money and not repay it repeatedly. Why did Greece get into financial trouble? Because they spent all the money on programs they created with no hope of paying it back. It's one thing when a country gets in hot water because of a widespread economic downturn and their revenue dries up. It's altogether a different situation when the countries around it are being responsible but Greece decided to overspend in hopes that it would all work out somehow. Not responsible, and the banks who are loaning out their depositors' money have a right and responsibility to get what they loaned repaid to them. You're just mad because a country was finally building the dream world you envision and when it unraveled you want to blame others for not propping it up.
If i get ahold of your credit card and run up the debt, should you have to pay it back?

The greek debt was run up by a greek dictator which usa supported

The european banks were more highly leveraged than american.

Germany stole the greeks gold in ww2.

Germanys debt was forgiven after ww2

Isnt biden forgiving some student debt now?

Usa forgave banker debt after 2008

You just believe the class war propaganda
 
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