When will ups figure out that less work means less discrepancies , better customer service,less prob

[Catatonic]

Omg thankyou!!!

Thanks for nothing.
Bbsam as a profit mongering business owner should know better.
He should at least review his tax returns.

 

[By The Book]

The point is when you have thin margins you can't afford to increase costs very much.

I can't disagree with that statement, but this is UPS we're talking about.

 

[Nothing by 1030 anymore]

Billions

 

[bbsam]

Nope
Capex is an after tax and depreciated over the years to recover the expense via tax returns.

I'm a little dubious. There are indeed necessary capex's but I could see the company earmarking those funds to "recover the expense" with complete disregard to labor expense.

 

[Tiredbrown]

That drivers straight time costs more than those drivers overtime.

How do? 8 hours times 35 bucks vs 8 times 52? You must be using common core math.

 

[bbsam]

Thanks for nothing.
Bbsam as a profit mongering business owner should know better.
He should at least review his tax returns.

I do. that's why it's easier to buy new trucks than give substantial pay raises.

 

[Mugarolla]

Put one additional driver on for 8 hours and cut 8 hours of additional overtime from 8 other drivers. seems like simple math to me but what do I know I'm just an hourly and the big brains in the Ivory tower know all.

It is math, but not simple math.

The cost of putting 1 more 8 hour job in is more than just the drivers pay.

Here are some additional costs for that 1 extra driver that you did not figure into your math.

1. Equipment and maintenance. 1 extra package car plus its maintenance.
2. Insurance, registration and taxes for that extra package car.
3. Benefits for that 1 extra employee. Health insurance, workers comp insurance, pension.
4. Unemployment when that extra driver is not needed.

According to math, in the long run it is cheaper to not use that 1 extra driver and pay the 8 hours OT to the other drivers.

 

[rod]

They always told us they lost money on our center. As many hosers, losers, riff raff and slugs we had I tend to believe them.

 

[Nothing by 1030 anymore]

And according to math Orion works.. Work drivers 10 to 12 hours. Misdeliveries cost money...driver follow ups cost money, failed follow ups result in paid claims because of too much work ..accidents due to fatigue cost a fortune...customer service suffers

 

[Tiredbrown]

And according to math Orion works.. Work drivers 10 to 12 hours. Misdeliveries cost money...driver follow ups cost money, failed follow ups result in paid claims because of too much work ..accidents due to fatigue cost a fortune...customer service suffers

Yes and when customer service suffers those customers go to our cheaper competition for more reliable service. which in turn costs the company way more money.

 

[sailfish]

When driver's compensation are reduced.

Cost is what drives higher paid days.

I'd gladly take a reduced rate in exchange for 8-hour scheduled days and more relaxed, manageable workloads/stop-counts.

 

[Catatonic]

I'd gladly take a reduced rate in exchange for 8-hour scheduled days and more relaxed, manageable workloads/stop-counts.

Tell that to the Union.

 

[Foamer Pyle]

Which gets eaten up by Capital Expenditures such as facilities and package cars,
Paying dividends,
buying back stock to pay out as MIP, etc.

Monkey Butt, this company has so many redundant layers of management, I am amazed that anything gets done. If UPS Shed about 40% of its management jobs, the company would be more efficient. Happy employees are harder working employees. I would almost consider UPS a hostile work environment. I have almost 28 years in, and have heard horror stories from old timers prior to my employment. This company has been treating employees horribly for a long time.

 

[Nothing by 1030 anymore]

Tell that to the Union.

Umm... What union...Ohhhh. The union that allows ups to work you to death ? The union that has language to request 8 hour days? Language to be on a 9/5 list ? So ups can retaliate? That union?

 

[ibleedbrown]

ups has been investing in tech like crazy!! the new automated systems will save the company big $$$ once they can iron out all the wrinkles.

 

[Catatonic]

Monkey Butt, this company has so many redundant layers of management, I am amazed that anything gets done. If UPS Shed about 40% of its management jobs, the company would be more efficient. Happy employees are harder working employees. I would almost consider UPS a hostile work environment. I have almost 28 years in, and have heard horror stories from old timers prior to my employment. This company has been treating employees horribly for a long time.

The only problem with your argument is that UPS has reduced it's management by 50% since those "good old days".
Good try though.

 

[Catatonic]

Umm... What union...Ohhhh. The union that allows ups to work you to death ? The union that has language to request 8 hour days? Language to be on a 9/5 list ? So ups can retaliate? That union?

The Union that listens to it's members when they say they want more money for wages/benefits over stronger workplace language.

 

[Brownslave688]

How do? 8 hours times 35 bucks vs 8 times 52? You must be using common core math.

And this is why they call us dumb truck drivers.

Add in your healthcare and pension monies to those first 8 hours. And looky there. Overtime costs the company less.

 

[Brownslave688]

I'd gladly take a reduced rate in exchange for 8-hour scheduled days and more relaxed, manageable workloads/stop-counts.

Then go work somewhere else.

 

[Nothing by 1030 anymore]

Then go work somewhere else.

Pathetic response