Honestly don't know much about this. Not looking very good for YRCW.
If it goes into bankruptcy, what is the anticipated impact on the monthly pay out for UPS drivers pension?
The funds can not cut pension credits already earned by UPSers unless a fund is in dire financial straights. They can cut future benefit accrual rates if they feel it is necessary to prevent getting into dire straights.
Another option, and one that is currently being implemented in my pension fund, is to raise the minimum retirement age, regardless of years of service. It used to be we could retire at any age if we had 30 years of service. They are now saying that we need to be at least 57 yrs old with at least 30 years of service to qualify for a normal pension.
UPS can negotiate new language win we go back to the negotiating table. In fact, they can change the agreement any time they want because they are legally required to maintain the UPS plan in a fiscally responsible manner
you are so anti company that you resort to lies? its the ups/teamster retirement, not just ups. it used to be just teamsters, and you see where that got you.This is the very reason the Teamsters fought to keep the pension out of the Company's control
My New England fund did the same thing. Every time we approach the finish line, they move the goalpost. They've done it in the past. I believe they are about to do it again in the near future.Another option, and one that is currently being implemented in my pension fund, is to raise the minimum retirement age, regardless of years of service. It used to be we could retire at any age if we had 30 years of service. They are now saying that we need to be at least 57 yrs old with at least 30 years of service to qualify for a normal pension.
At least UPS has never done that. It's the same now as it was 35 years ago.My New England fund did the same thing. Every time we approach the finish line, they move the goalpost. They've done it in the past. I believe they are about to do it again in the near future.
And let's not forget the ten years of lackluster returns on UPS stock, not to mention that whole OPL thing.At least UPS has never done that. It's the same now as it was 35 years ago.
Actually they never changed the 55 years as a qualifier but the amount (as a % of your salary) has been lowered a few times. But tht was offset by the 401k match until last year.
Oh well, never mind.
And let's not forget the ten years of lackluster returns on UPS stock, not to mention that whole OPL thing.
WHY THE HELL DID WE SELL OUR PENSION TO UPS? WHY DID THE UNION TELL US IT WAS A GREAT DEAL? AND WHY DID UPS NOT OPPOSE UPS FREIGHT BEING UNIONIZED? COULD IT BE THAT THE 6.1 BILLION UPS PAID CENTRAL STATES AND THE IBT JUST SOLD US DOWN THE RIVER SO THE UNION COULD FINALLY ORGANIZE OVERNIGHT/UPS FREIGHT. [/B]
I would aqree with most of your statement, the problem that most of us have with the Central States dealings is the lack of correct information over the years to the funding levels. Sure who could foresee the current recession and the effects that it had with all the pension trusts, but how has the IAM mechanics fund that is funded by UPS and maintained by the union maintain thier current benefits? I could be wrong on the totals, but I believe it is at around or over 300 dollars a service year or 6,000 per month. Have they put that much more into their trust, or were they smarter with their investments? Another case in point is the current level of funding in the Teamster's run Western Conference fund, which has close to the IAM benefit levels. If you have even had a passing interest in the Central States fund even a half-wit would know something is wrong with the administrative end of this pension trust, let alone the politics associated with promising increased benefits in order to be elected to these union positions.You make this statement like $6.1 billion is peanuts. It's a huge amount of money, and Central States needed the money to keep the pension funded. Who knew that the stock market would slide and pension reserves would decrease. I don't believe the union "sold you down the river." The union was doing what needed to be done to help the Central States pension. UPS was doing what was in its best interest, in cutting the link between the Central states pension and the UPS employees/teamsters' pension.
This was a big problem and UPS paid big dollars ($6.1 billion) to protect itself and the upsers (both teamsters and management) that depend on UPS continuing to pay good wages and benefits. In the end, this pension agreement was the best thing for Central States UPS teamsters and the company itself.