if your referring to the vote they were planning on having in Massachusetts, the vote was stopped because they sent in a team from Memphis to shower them in money and perks. the employees cancelled the vote not the union.
A win for FedEx Freight drivers!
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It will be fine
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The ninth decided on the IC model, not the ISP model. Not sure what major money interest is behind shutting down the independent contractor business model. Absent a whole lot of cash, it will continue to thrive. I'm betting on Fred continuing to buy his legislators.
It will be fine
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Difference is those are skills. There's no reason to hire a driver represented by a union, they are easily replaced.
This is an "opinion" of It and X. Ninth circuit gave a "decision". True, the process has a to play out some more. Tell us sammy, in your "opinion" how far are we (not you, since I'm guessing you opted out by your phrasing of post)? This is a rhetorical question for me. Hint:some remanded states have already begun submitting filings to proceed in their respective state. Appeal process moves much quicker at this level. Has X even filed an appeal, no PR release to such since they "fundamentally disagreed"?
That they are, "decision" in ninth circuit was handed down by a conservative judge. Let's not forget Kansas decision also. "Just because you call a tail a leg, doesn't make it so, it's still a tail". Courts words, not mine.
It, ISP has not been implemented everywhere. If it is so ironclad, why hasn't it? Courts have not yet been asked to decide, although I "believe" they would decide swiftly based on past practices of employer. As I often say, I know MFE feels differently, what is so unique and different from an Express driver (employee) the model that X was started with. Both have much more similarities than differences. If it walks like a duck...one might be brown, the other black, but, they are still both ducks.
It will be fine
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The difference isn't between my drivers and an express driver. The difference is between my role and one of an express ops manager. Those roles are dramatically different. I run a company handling everything. They plan routes by following some software handed down by corporate.
If your last dealings with Ground were under the IC model then you are out of date. Things are different now. I have total control over operations. Ground gets the boxes to me, I handle the rest.
No one is accusing postal workers of being FedEx employees since they deliver smart post boxes. It's a similar relationship. Ground gets them the boxes, they deliver them.
Cactus
Just telling it like it is
Call it ISP, call it IC, call it Mobil or call it BP. It's still the same ol' gas.
Tell it to the courts and FedEx. They seem to think it's different.
A duck and a goose are more similar than not but neither is the other.
CJinx
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An employee at the Brockton facility disagrees with your assertion of who pulled the plug and even believes that the vote would have been successful if the union didn't back down.
http://www.socialistalternative.org...t-fedex-ground-interview-with-a-fedex-worker/
I think it's a stunning indictment of unregulated capitalism. For all the conservative crys of over regulation, it's hard for me to believe that this is how it's supposed to be.
that was how I heard it from people who work for a different opco in that area. I may have heard it wrong.
your right, if as a manager or route owner your happy with an unprofessional driver who has no idea how a map works and could care less about the customers. as someone who's been doing this along time it is a skill to do this job efficiently, courteously and with safety in mind. most people can't do that. I've seen hundreds of them come and go over the years. when we're all replaced with idiots who's last job was at dunkins they will wish they had professional drivers again.
MrFedEx
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As in a scam and a con are more similar than not but neither is the other?
Or there is more than one business model in the US and calling one a "scam" doesn't make it so.
The thing is that I and my drivers have bought in to this system. Any of us could leave at any time but you have yet to offer anything better.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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I consider you to be a friend but I highly doubt that your drivers have bought in to this system.
I think you must be wrong or they would move on especially seeing two leave for Express. Call it what you will, but none of us are chained to the steering wheel.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Are you seriously saying that if a UPS HR rep were to call tomorrow morning and offer any of your drivers a permanent position that every one of them would say "Thanks, but no thanks. We have bought in to this system and are very content."
