Alison vs Mitch

[cheryl]

Psst, they are already here brother. They already have the jobs the republicans "WANT" them to have. They are doing jobs YOU and YOUR children wont do.

Get over it.

Reagan did the same thing.

TOS.

Pssst...

Reagan and Bush Offer No Precedent for Obama's Amnesty Order - The Atlantic

The invocation of the Reagan and Bush cases exemplifies the bad tendency of political discussion to degenerate into an exchange of scripted talking points. “Oh yeah? Well, this guy you liked also did this thing you don’t like!” Is that really supposed to convince anybody? What we have here is not a validation of the correctness of President Obama’s action. It’s the shaking of a fetish, an effort to curtail argument rather than enlighten it.

It’s a style of argument borrowed from the late-night cable-comedy shows, in which a clip of somebody saying something at some point in the past is supposed to estop that person—or anybody in any way connected to him, or supportive of him, or even mostly but not entirely admiring of him—from ever saying anything different in the future. But a zinger is not a rebuttal. In this case, with all the huge differences between Obama’s situation and those of his predecessors, it does not even zing.

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

Psst, they are already here brother. They already have the jobs the republicans "WANT" them to have. They are doing jobs YOU and YOUR children wont do.

Get over it.

Reagan did the same thing.

TOS.

Doing the jobs that Americans won't do.... It's a lie often repeated by politicians in Washington to justify their weak stance on immigration. Just watch a couple of episodes of Mike Rowe's Dirty Jobs and see that Americans are willing to do most any job for the right pay. Allowing illegals into the country to do a job for a fraction of the price only drives down what companies are going to pay for a particular job and puts Americans out of work.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Are you willing to pay for the true cost of consumer goods?

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

Are you willing to pay for the true cost of consumer goods?

Yes, Im happy to buy American whenever I can whether it's automobiles, tennis shoes or peaches.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

So you're OK with paying $10 for a head of lettuce?

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

So you're OK with paying $10 for a head of lettuce?

Exaggerate much? Ever been to your local farmers market? $10 for a head of lettuce is a lie, you just made that up, admit it.

 

[Jim Rockford]

Apparently we will be able to add Obamas executive amnesty for illegals to his growing list of bad decisions. Flooding the workforce with millions of low wage workers does nothing to help working Americans and if you are a union labor, carpenter, construction worker etc. you know first hand what this means to your future job stability and wages.

While not agreeing with your position on right to work....this is right on the money...no way around it.

 

[realbrown1]

Doing the jobs that Americans won't do.... It's a lie often repeated by politicians in Washington to justify their weak stance on immigration. Just watch a couple of episodes of Mike Rowe's Dirty Jobs and see that Americans are willing to do most any job for the right pay. Allowing illegals into the country to do a job for a fraction of the price only drives down what companies are going to pay for a particular job and puts Americans out of work.

Yeah. When ever I hear we need these workers to do jobs Americans won't do, I think, WON'T DO FOR SLAVE WAGES.
Because Americans will do any job if they can make a decent living doing it.

 

[realbrown1]

So you're OK with paying $10 for a head of lettuce?

Lettuce wouldn't be $10 a head if they paid workers $50 per hour.
You need to think this through. If you want to devalue the earnings of some workers, it won't be long til all work is devalued. And the includes driving trucks.

 

[MAKAVELI]

Yeah. When ever I hear we need these workers to do jobs Americans won't do, I think, WON'T DO FOR SLAVE WAGES.
Because Americans will do any job if they can make a decent living doing it.

Yea right.

 

[MAKAVELI]

Lettuce wouldn't be $10 a head if they paid workers $50 per hour.
You need to think this through. If you want to devalue the earnings of some workers, it won't be long til all work is devalued. And the includes driving trucks.

Just how much would a head of lettuce cost if they paid workers $50 an hour?

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

Listening to Democrats talk about why we need immigrants to serve us & mow our lawns reminds me of the days when Democrats argued that we needed colored folks from Africa to pick our cotton & serve us tea.

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

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[Atomic_Smurf]

Just how much would a head of lettuce cost if they paid workers $50 an hour?

Most of the produce at our farmers market sells for less than Walmart. Plus the Amish women there are easy on the eyes if you can get past the hairy legs.

Buy local. Buy fresh. Buy American.

 

[MAKAVELI]

Most of the produce at our farmers market sells for less than Walmart. Plus the Amish women there are easy on the eyes if you can get past the hairy legs.

Buy local. Buy fresh. Buy American.

And you think your local farmers markets are going to feed 350 million people?

 

[Jones]

And you think your local farmers markets are going to feed 350 million people?

They could feed the whole world if it wasn't for obamacare and the unions.

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

And you think your local farmers markets are going to feed 350 million people?

No. But it shows on a small scale that Americans are plenty capable of growing their own food without exploiting the labor of immigrants. According to the Center for Immigration Studies the price of produce would increase 3 to 6% without undocumented workers. Seems like a small sacrifice to keep your fellow Americans employed. Here's the article if you'd like to read more. http://cis.org/ProducePrices-WithoutIllegalFarmworkers

Who would have thought that "Buy American" would be such a tough sell on a union issues form?

 

[MAKAVELI]

No. But it shows on a small scale that Americans are plenty capable of growing their own food without exploiting the labor of immigrants. According to the Center for Immigration Studies the price of produce would increase 3 to 6% without undocumented workers. Seems like a small sacrifice to keep your fellow Americans employed. Here's the article if you'd like to read more. http://cis.org/ProducePrices-WithoutIllegalFarmworkers

Who would have thought that "Buy American" would be such a tough sell on a union issues form?

But the farming industry is not small scale is a huge business. We not only produce goods for us but export as well. The majority of the US population lives in major metropolitan areas which do not grow their own produce. When Americans are willing to pay more for their food and are lining up have the fields to apply for a job that's when you'll see a major drop in undocumented workers.

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

They could feed the whole world if it wasn't for obamacare and the unions.

Whats true is that the same people that lied about Obamacare are lying about immigration. Call them on their lies when Democrats tell you that you can't afford the products and services of your own fellow Americans.

 

[Atomic_Smurf]

But the farming industry is not small scale is a huge business. We not only produce goods for us but export as well. The majority of the US population lives in major metropolitan areas which do not grow their own produce. When Americans are willing to pay more for their food and are lining up have the fields to apply for a job that's when you'll see a major drop in undocumented workers.

Immigrants lining up to do a job for a fraction of the price keeps wages low, not the other way around.