And You Red Staters Were Afraid of Obama

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by wkmac, Sep 16, 2009.

  1. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    Afraid he would dismantle the security state built during the Bush years. Well rest easy cause he's got ya back!

    Obama supports extending Patriot Act provisions


    1) If red state totaliterians desire the security state


    2) President Obama will extend/maintain that security state


    3) Obama supporters are loyal to Obama no matter what by always saying any position he takes was his position all along and therefore


    4) We support because we support him (he's democrat, Bush was not, see post #2)


    Doesn't that in effect make all the above the very same thing?
    Tell me again the difference between the democrat and republican parties or the difference between Statist conservatives, Statist liberals and
    Statist vulgar libertarians. (otherwise known as DC beltway minarchism)

    I guess it's like for 8 years they were anti-war Bush and anti-patriot act Bush so I guess following the old native american warning of "beware the one who speaks with folked tongue!"

    The new symbol of the proud and honorable American!

    Funny how we did things before Hitler came along and changed the construct!

  2. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    Vote Obama!

    Committing an Act of Non-Violent Sucession may have a point after all!

  3. scratch

    scratch Least Best Moderator Staff Member

    I just heard on the news that the White House decided to pull the missile shield away from Eastern Europe. The Russians are very happy.....
  4. Jones

    Jones fILE A GRIEVE! Staff Member

    Well, I think that was a big reason for it. We need Russia's cooperation on dealing with Iran.
  5. scratch

    scratch Least Best Moderator Staff Member

    Yeah, we do, but its Russia that sells nuclear technology to Iran and Hugo Chavez. Neither country needs nuclear power, they have more than enough oil.
  6. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

    Sounds like this is not a total retreat from a missle defense system but rather a strategic change. Gates and Joints Chiefs gave unanimous support. Military Industrial Complex has invested way to much effort and money on missle defense concept to allow a rogue President to step up and shut off the money valve. My guess is version 2.0 will bring them even more money.

    This really is no surprise as even back in February, word was circulating that the Obama adminstration would take "a different approach" but like all things gov't, the difference is minor as each ruling power just wants their personal touch so the voters are conned into believing they've had real change. Superfically, it may have changed but at it's real core, it's the same thing.

    Also ironic in this announcement is the Newsweek headline from yesterday (9/16/2009) Politics is not a fractured vaccum from which disjointed actions emerge!

    Why are we even defending Europe to begin with?
  7. tonyexpress

    tonyexpress Whac-A-Troll Patrol Staff Member

    Guys, help me understand how Russia would be happy if we're still going to have a defense system...?? Is it strictly the location that they're concerned about?

    Originally (according to the media)we were going to have a radar site in the Czech Republic and 10 missile interceptors in Poland to counter the threat of Iran.

    Now we're going to have:

    The new system will have "hundreds" of missile interceptors, said Gen. James Cartwright, deputy chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Pentagon's point man on the issue.
    It also will have mobile radars, including some in space, "that can move to wherever the threat actually emanates and wherever we feel we need to defend ourselves," Cartwright said.
    He contrasted the new sensor technology with the radar systems envisioned in the old plan, which he called "basically left over from the Cold War."

    CNN article
  8. Jones

    Jones fILE A GRIEVE! Staff Member

    The short answer is yes. They were not happy at all about us building permanent missile sites in eastern Europe, essentially on their borders.
  9. tonyexpress

    tonyexpress Whac-A-Troll Patrol Staff Member

    Well then...On the surface this seems like a win/win for the United States.

    We still have the protection (supposedly even better) and we get to have better relations with Russia! :happy-very:

    My family has been to Moscow before and our guide said most Russians weren't very fond of Americans. It's probably all the Stalin statues we saw all around the city influencing them!:funny: Perhaps we'll plan another trip before we fall out of there good graces again!

    Here we are in Red Square.