First of all, learn how to spell and know how to use the english language properly. After reading your thoughts on the APWA, you are apparently uninformed about how the Teamsters are ruining your retirement, and you have no knowledge on how the APWA can offer what they are proposing. The simple fact is that while every dollar that UPS contributes towards your pension, you only receive 40 cents; whereas the APWA represents only UPS employees and every dollar goes to us. This is why the APWA can offer much more than the Teamsters.
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30andout
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Brett, don't you get it, the APWA is going to only represent one co. that would be us,
UPS.
30andout
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79, do you have proof of this or just an opinion? I have met Van and Danny and have great respect for both, and feel they just want better for all UPS workers.
Who said I trust the teamsters? Did you even bother to read and comprehend my posts?Well i suggest you look up the deffinition of rogue.It's ashame that you would trust the current lieing,corrupt bullsh-t union and won't support two of your own who are trying to make changes for the long term because they know what its line to be an eployee for UPS and know that you bust your but for this company and you deserve better than what the IBT is getting for your dollar.
I suggest you read that article closer those that have increased are 30 years away, read it closely,
wdworker if and when we vote in the APWA the company has no choice but to recognize the APWA as the bargaining agent for the UPS employees
Guys, EVERY established UNION was started on an IDEA of an INDIVIDUAL person. Even the TEAMSTERS was started from the IDEA of one person. It was started from scratch just like the APWA is. If that's the only argument you guys have, that it's not established yet. Go to Parcelworkers - A NEW LOOK! WHAT MAKES THIS UNION LOOK DIFFERENT'' and you can see the LEGAL document that makes the APWA a LEGAL and legitimate UNION.
By government LAW if voted in, UPS HAS TO recognize it.
Everyone of you absolutely has the right to your OPINION, however the opinion that the APWA is not a legitimate UNion because it was started on the idea of 2 feeder drivers, is just plain STUPID. If that's all you can say, I don;t think we have anything to worry about.
As far as not having the money, you are absolutely right. Because most of you are still GIVING close to $70 bucks a month to the TEAMSTERS of which is being totally wasted. Multiply that be every UPS fulltimer who is still a TEAMSTER and you have millions of $$$$$$ every month.
I have said in an earlier post that the APWA is funded ONLY on the money collected from it's current members as well as small donations from it;s members. Of course they don;t have the money that the IBT has. The APWA will drop your dues each month to half of what they are now after the first 6 months. They have done the math and can OPERATE on that. WHY can't the TEAMSTERS operate on that. Because the BIG DAWGS are lineing their pockets with YOUR money, as well as thier 3 or 4 different pensions funds that they are in. WHY aren't the TEAMSTER BIG DAWGS on the same plans that we are?? Because they know it SUCKS, that's why.
The APWA representatives will be on the same Pension and Health care plans that we will be.
You see no matter how much you guys try to put the APWA down you can;t. Because these guys are going to treat us the same way they WILL be treated, For one because they are UPS hourly employees. THEY are US from the time the front page is turned to the end of the book. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
If the APWA isn;t voted in, at least there were some who were bold enough to stand up for what is right. APWA may not be perfect, but they are the closest thing to it compared to the TEAMSTERS.
By government LAW if voted in, UPS HAS TO recognize it.
Everyone of you absolutely has the right to your OPINION, however the opinion that the APWA is not a legitimate UNion because it was started on the idea of 2 feeder drivers, is just plain STUPID. If that's all you can say, I don;t think we have anything to worry about.
As far as not having the money, you are absolutely right. Because most of you are still GIVING close to $70 bucks a month to the TEAMSTERS of which is being totally wasted. Multiply that be every UPS fulltimer who is still a TEAMSTER and you have millions of $$$$$$ every month.
I have said in an earlier post that the APWA is funded ONLY on the money collected from it's current members as well as small donations from it;s members. Of course they don;t have the money that the IBT has. The APWA will drop your dues each month to half of what they are now after the first 6 months. They have done the math and can OPERATE on that. WHY can't the TEAMSTERS operate on that. Because the BIG DAWGS are lineing their pockets with YOUR money, as well as thier 3 or 4 different pensions funds that they are in. WHY aren't the TEAMSTER BIG DAWGS on the same plans that we are?? Because they know it SUCKS, that's why.
The APWA representatives will be on the same Pension and Health care plans that we will be.
You see no matter how much you guys try to put the APWA down you can;t. Because these guys are going to treat us the same way they WILL be treated, For one because they are UPS hourly employees. THEY are US from the time the front page is turned to the end of the book. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
If the APWA isn;t voted in, at least there were some who were bold enough to stand up for what is right. APWA may not be perfect, but they are the closest thing to it compared to the TEAMSTERS.
3brownstars
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Hey Brett,
I read your previous posts about doing your own investing for retirement, but now all the sudden you have all these questions?
This "union busting lawyer", I belive, is just a lawyer that kicks the
out of the Teamsters. If you were going to take on UPS don't you think you would hire a UPS butt whoopin lawyer? Yea, I thought so.APWA has no contract with any other company because (and I know you've read this before) they only will represent UPSers.
Now please go to parcelworkers, get in touch with Van and/or Danny and they will answer all your questions.
I'm glad to see that you are asking questions. You should not have to invest your wages for retirement when UPS is giving the IBT so much money every week on your behalf, but a little self investing is alwys good too.
brett636
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3brwnstars- Thank you for answering questions that I know the APWA doesn't want to answer. Too bad you had the wrong answers, but atleast you now have the honor of being on my ignore list along with any122, 30andout, mittam, and the rest of the APWA cheerleaders.
To answer your comment about saving for retirement, I chose that route because I strongly believe I can do infinitly better than the teamsters, APWA, or UPS. If they want to give me some money for working for 30 years fine, I will take it. Although I refuse to let myself be in a situation where I need it, and its not there.
To answer your comment about saving for retirement, I chose that route because I strongly believe I can do infinitly better than the teamsters, APWA, or UPS. If they want to give me some money for working for 30 years fine, I will take it. Although I refuse to let myself be in a situation where I need it, and its not there.
30andout
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My hearts broke .3brwnstars- Thank you for answering questions that I know the APWA doesn't want to answer. Too bad you had the wrong answers, but atleast you now have the honor of being on my ignore list along with any122, 30andout, mittam, and the rest of the APWA cheerleaders. My hearts broken I'm on bretts s list.
To answer your comment about saving for retirement, I chose that route because I strongly believe I can do infinitly better than the teamsters, APWA, or UPS. If they want to give me some money for working for 30 years fine, I will take it. Although I refuse to let myself be in a situation where I need it, and its not there.
thankyou at least you mentioned our names we appreciate it
3brownstars
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Thanks Brett, I'm honored to have my name listed along side these fine people. Good luck with your investments, seriously.
nospinzone
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Why, you want the IBT to screw over another functional and efficent company?
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UPS Union pension.
U.P.S. is the largest company in the pension plans of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, with potential responsibility for billions of dollars of obligations to its retirees. Last year U.P.S. contributed a little more than $1 billion to 32 regional Teamster plans, more than $8,000 for every covered U.P.S. employee. UPS wants out of its responsibility to multi-employer pensions, like the Central States Pension Fund. If and when UPS is able to opt out of the multi-employer union pension system, it would be the final blow to the hopes and dreams of all the union members pensions. Hopes and dreams for nothing but an IOU.
U.P.S. is the largest company in the pension plans of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, with potential responsibility for billions of dollars of obligations to its retirees. Last year U.P.S. contributed a little more than $1 billion to 32 regional Teamster plans, more than $8,000 for every covered U.P.S. employee. UPS wants out of its responsibility to multi-employer pensions, like the Central States Pension Fund. If and when UPS is able to opt out of the multi-employer union pension system, it would be the final blow to the hopes and dreams of all the union members pensions. Hopes and dreams for nothing but an IOU.
Re: UPS Union pension.
The Teamsters are the poorest of planners. That is why they are in over their head with this deal. It takes care of the defunct companies and the ones that are contributing now which is us are going to pay the price . We are the ones getting short changed. Because of this the ups employee looks like the bad guy for wanting to fix the problem ! I suppose the pilots were the bad guys too when they broke away to be on their own too ! The teamsters should accept resonsiblity for their actions periond. Fix the problem instead of blaming the government for their actions in not supporting their issues.
Its obvious why the south is outraged and wants a change. Voting Hoffa again would mean a contiuation of future problems.
The Teamsters are the poorest of planners. That is why they are in over their head with this deal. It takes care of the defunct companies and the ones that are contributing now which is us are going to pay the price . We are the ones getting short changed. Because of this the ups employee looks like the bad guy for wanting to fix the problem ! I suppose the pilots were the bad guys too when they broke away to be on their own too ! The teamsters should accept resonsiblity for their actions periond. Fix the problem instead of blaming the government for their actions in not supporting their issues.
Its obvious why the south is outraged and wants a change. Voting Hoffa again would mean a contiuation of future problems.
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