Arizona's anti-imigration law...

[The Other Side]

Deport Illegal Aliens to Cut Deficit by $1 Trillion Over 10 Years!

When the “Super Committee” appointed by leaders of the House and Senate convene in September to take on the task of of cutting $1.5 trillion from the federal deficit over the next 10 years, their actions, or inactions, will help answer the question: Will America prosper or perish?
America’s economic problems are rooted in many ways in foolish, imprudent decisions with respect to spending.
An outrageous example is an expense that benefits foreign invaders, those with no legal or moral basis for being here.
I refer to perhaps as many as twenty millionillegal aliens who have ignored America’s borders and immigration laws.
As documented in Reference 1, these people cost American taxpayers $113 billion a year.
Again, illegal aliens, cost American taxpayers $113 billion a year.
As a taxpaying citizen, I wonder why politicians from both sides of the aisle refuse to target this wasteful expense?

Are you this gulible? Oh yeah , you are. You bought into Orly Tainz claims....sorry , I forgot about that.

Look, we can talk about deporting millions of illegal aliens until we are blue in the face. We can talk about the "savings" that will bring our country. What is left out of that debate however is the inherent cost of doing it.

This blowhard you posted talks about the billions that would be saved, but doesnt factor in the hundreds of billions of dollars it will cost to deport every illegal alien in this country.

Neither side wants to deal with it because they both benefit from it. Nobody is dumb enough to believe you can deport 20 million illegal aliens from this country, or then again, maybe there is someone that stupid.

Peace.

 

[Babagounj]

Then this story should make you cry.....................
These are NOT “Their Jobs” – These Jobs Belong to Americans and Legal Residents Immigration Audits Drive Illegal Workers Underground

By MIRIAM JORDAN
MINNEAPOLIS—In 2009, Alba and Eugenio were making almost twice the federal minimum wage, plus benefits, cleaning a skyscraper for a national janitorial company. With two toddlers, the Mexican couple enjoyed relative prosperity in a tidy one-bedroom duplex in a working-class neighborhood here.
Late that year, federal agents audited employee records of ABM Industries Inc., forcing it to shed all the illegal workers on its payrolls in the Twin Cities. Among them was the couple, undocumented immigrants who had worked at ABM for more than a decade.
Shortly after, Alba and Eugenio, who declined to have their surname published, landed at a small janitorial concern, scrubbing car dealerships for about half the pay, without benefits. Earlier this year that employer, too, was hit by an immigration audit. In late February, Alba and Eugenio were let go.
Today, the couple is struggling to make ends meet, working part-time and often relying on handouts from food banks to feed their family.
The journey from prosperity to the economic margins followed by Alba and Eugenio is an increasingly common path for thousands of undocumented workers pushed out of their jobs by the federal government’s audits of U.S. businesses, according to immigration experts, business owners and unions.

Now doesn't that sad tale make you all teary eyed, how can we live in such a mean society, after all these poor people are not criminals just because they entered this country illegally.

 

[The Other Side]

Then this story should make you cry.....................
These are NOT “Their Jobs” – These Jobs Belong to Americans and Legal Residents Immigration Audits Drive Illegal Workers Underground

By MIRIAM JORDAN
MINNEAPOLIS—In 2009, Alba and Eugenio were making almost twice the federal minimum wage, plus benefits, cleaning a skyscraper for a national janitorial company. With two toddlers, the Mexican couple enjoyed relative prosperity in a tidy one-bedroom duplex in a working-class neighborhood here.
Late that year, federal agents audited employee records of ABM Industries Inc., forcing it to shed all the illegal workers on its payrolls in the Twin Cities. Among them was the couple, undocumented immigrants who had worked at ABM for more than a decade.
Shortly after, Alba and Eugenio, who declined to have their surname published, landed at a small janitorial concern, scrubbing car dealerships for about half the pay, without benefits. Earlier this year that employer, too, was hit by an immigration audit. In late February, Alba and Eugenio were let go.
Today, the couple is struggling to make ends meet, working part-time and often relying on handouts from food banks to feed their family.
The journey from prosperity to the economic margins followed by Alba and Eugenio is an increasingly common path for thousands of undocumented workers pushed out of their jobs by the federal government’s audits of U.S. businesses, according to immigration experts, business owners and unions.

Now doesn't that sad tale make you all teary eyed, how can we live in such a mean society, after all these poor people are not criminals just because they entered this country illegally.

You know what should make us cry?? HOw about the employer getting to walk away with a slap on the wrist for having illegal aliens working for them for 10 YEARS!

The owner of that business should be placed in jail for harboring fugitives of the law.

I know, i know, you dont want the business punished, and I know this cause you didnt put a story about punishment or anything close to it along with your story.

Maybe if you did, we could take you seriously. Until then, blah blah blah blah....

Peace.

 

[Babagounj]

After the Audit: Chipotle Faces Higher Turnover

and $1.3M in legal costs.

 

[moreluck]

I think fining and punishing employers who hire illegals is the first step to stopping illegals from taking Amer. jobs........the illegals should also be deported. They won't want to come back if there's no job for them.
I never hear of anyone official going to a company and checking for illegals. Does that car with the green stripe come to your work place and ID everyone?
There's a light colored car with a green stripe in our neighborhood all the time......but it's Beamus Landscaping. Looking from far away, their car would send illegals running.

 

[The Other Side]

I think fining and punishing employers who hire illegals is the first step to stopping illegals from taking Amer. jobs........the illegals should also be deported. They won't want to come back if there's no job for them.
I never hear of anyone official going to a company and checking for illegals. Does that car with the green stripe come to your work place and ID everyone?
There's a light colored car with a green stripe in our neighborhood all the time......but it's Beamus Landscaping. Looking from far away, their car would send illegals running.

Ok, Now youre begining to understand the concept. Now, take the next step and ask yourself how many agents will be needed, how many buildings will be needed in each state, how many lawyers the dept of justice will have to add, how many holding facilities will be needed, what forms of transportations will be needed for deportations and then:

FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH IT WILL COST US TAXPAYERS YEAR OVER YEAR!

The cost of prosecution alone will run into the hundreds of millions of dollars year over year.

The cost to deport will cost hundreds of millions year over year.

The cost of housing will cost hundreds of millions year over year.

The cost of investigating businesses will cost hundreds of millions year over year.

The cost to the economy will cost hundreds of millions year over year as the deported people take their money with them.

I am sure in your retirement community, there are dozens of illegals trimming your grass, hedging the golf course, cleaning the streets, trimming the trees and the like and you all look the other way as does everyone else in america.

Everyone says punish the employers, but that never really happens.

They get caught, stay low for a few months, and rehire illegals.

No one wants to fix the problem, they just want to talk about it every election cycle.

Peace.

 

[Babagounj]

your numbers don't compute.
As more & more are deported, and their fingerprints are put into a national database, the overall numbers will decrease yearly. Thus the costs will also decrease.
Currently we have many unused former military bases with airports which could be used as deportation centers. If the housing was good enough for our troops then the illegals can adapt to it.

 

[Babagounj]

Dear Senator Frist: There is a huge amount of propaganda and myths circulating about illegal aliens, particularly illegal Mexican, Salvadorian, Guatemalan and Honduran aliens.
#1. Illegal aliens generally do NOT want US citizenship. Americans are very vain thinking that everybody in the world wants to be a US citizen. Mexicans, and other nationalities want to remain citizens of their home countries while obtaining the benefits offered by the United States such as employment, medical care, instate tuition, government subsidized housing and free education for their offspring. Their main attraction is employment and their loyalty usually remains at home. They want benefits earned and subsidized by middle class Americans. What illegal aliens want are benefits of American residence without paying the price.
#2. There are no jobs that Americans won't do. Illegal aliens are doing jobs that Americans can't take and still support their families. Illegal aliens take low wage jobs, live dozens in a single residence home, share expenses and send money to their home country. There are no jobs that Americans won't do for a decent wage.
#3. Every person who illegally entered this nation left a home. They are NOT homeless and they are NOT Americans. Some left jobs in their home countries. They come to send money to their real home as evidenced by the more than 20 billion dollars sent out of the country each year by illegal aliens. These illegal aliens knowingly and willfully entered this nation in violation of the law and therefore assumed the risk of detection and deportation. Those who brought their alien children assumed the responsibility and risk on behalf of their children.
#4. Illegal aliens are NOT critical to the economy. Illegal aliens constitute less than 5% of the workforce. However, they reduce wages and benefits for lawful US residents.
#5. This is NOT an immigrant nation. There are 280 million native born Americans. While it is true that this nation was settled and founded by immigrants (legal immigrants), it is also true that there is not a nation on this planet that was not settled by immigrants at one time or another.
#6. The United States is welcoming to legal immigrants. Illegal aliens are not immigrants by definition. The US accepts more lawful immigrants every year than the rest of the world combined.
#7. There is no such thing as the "Hispanic vote." Hispanics are white, brown, black and every shade in between. Hispanics are Republicans, Democrats, Anarchists, Communists, Marxists and Independents. The so-called "Hispanic vote" is a myth. Pandering to illegal aliens to get the Hispanic vote is a dead end.
#8. Mexico is NOT a friend of the United States. Since 1848 Mexicans have resented the United States. During World War I Mexico allowed German Spies to operate freely in Mexico to spy on the US. During World War II Mexico allowed the Axis powers to spy on the US from Mexico. During the Cold War, Mexico allowed spies hostile to the US to operate freely. The attack on the Twin Towers in 2001 was cheered and applauded all across Mexico. Today Mexican school children are taught that the US stole California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. If you don't believe it, check out some Mexican textbooks written for their school children.
#9. Although some illegal aliens enter this country for a better life, there are 6 billion people on this planet. At least 1 billion of those live on less than one dollar a day. If wanting a better life is a valid excuse to break the law and sneak into America, then let's allow those one billion to come to America and we'll turn the USA into a Third World nation overnight. Besides, there are 280 million native born Americans who want a better life. I'll bet Bill Gates and Donald Trump want a better life. When will the USA lifeboat be full? Since when is wanting a better life a good reason to trash another nation?
#10. There is a labor shortage in this country. This is a lie. There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of American housewives, senior citizens, students, unemployed and underemployed who would gladly take jobs at a decent wage.
#11. It is racist to want secure borders. What is racist about wanting secure borders and a secure America? What is racist about not wanting people to sneak into America and steal benefits we have set aside for legal aliens, senior citizens, children and other legal residents? What is it about race that entitles people to violate our laws, steal identities, and take the American Dream without paying the price? For about four decades American politicians have refused to secure our borders and look after the welfare of middle class Americans. These politicians have been of both parties. A huge debt to American society has resulted. This debt will be satisfied and the interest will be high. There has already been riots in the streets by illegal aliens and their supporters. There will be more. You, as a politician, have a choice to offend the illegal aliens who have stolen into this country and demanded the rights afforded to US citizens or to offend those of us who are stakeholders in this country. The interest will be steep either way. There will be civil unrest. There will be a reckoning. Do you have the courage to do what is right for America? Or, will you bow to the wants and needs of those who don't even have the right to remain here? There will be a reckoning. It will come in November of this year, again in 2012 and yet again in 2014. We will not allow America to be stolen by third world agitators and thieves.
David J. StoddardUS Border Patrol (RET)Hereford, Arizona

 

[Babagounj]

When Presidents Franklin Roosevelt and Dwight Eisenhower launched large deportation campaigns in the 1950s and 1930s, illegal immigration slowed to minuscule levels as a result.

 

[moreluck]

My position has been that way for longer than I can recall........at least as long as I've lived in CA. where the problem is so noticeable.

Don't pretend that you're my teacher......and that I'm finally "getting the concept". Listen, Grasshopper, you got it backwards!!

 

[moreluck]

Ok, Now youre begining to understand the concept. Now, take the next step and ask yourself how many agents will be needed, how many buildings will be needed in each state, how many lawyers the dept of justice will have to add, how many holding facilities will be needed, what forms of transportations will be needed for deportations and then:

FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH IT WILL COST US TAXPAYERS YEAR OVER YEAR!

The cost of prosecution alone will run into the hundreds of millions of dollars year over year.

The cost to deport will cost hundreds of millions year over year.

The cost of housing will cost hundreds of millions year over year.

The cost of investigating businesses will cost hundreds of millions year over year.

The cost to the economy will cost hundreds of millions year over year as the deported people take their money with them.

I am sure in your retirement community, there are dozens of illegals trimming your grass, hedging the golf course, cleaning the streets, trimming the trees and the like and you all look the other way as does everyone else in america.

Everyone says punish the employers, but that never really happens.

They get caught, stay low for a few months, and rehire illegals.

No one wants to fix the problem, they just want to talk about it every election cycle.

Peace.

If you raid a building in Irvine or Westminster or Santa Ana and it flushes out 30 illegals.......I'll pay for their bus tickets to Tijuana.

Most of the trouble lies in the border states and a good bulk of illegals could be bussed back to Mex. if that's where they are from. It's a start......there are tons of illegals on the borders of CA. Tex. AZ etc. and most are from Mex. It would make a big difference in returning the money they take illegally to the states to be used by Americans.
All of our soldiers all over the world can come guard our borders and help with the checking employers....instead of trying to help those folks that hate our guts.

It needs to start somewhere. You can't just sit back and whine...."It's too hard"!

 

[Babagounj]

Woman Says Says She Used To Help Illegals But Now Is Afraid

Reported by: Joe Augustine
HIDALGO COUNTY – A woman in Hidalgo County says she is forced to barricade herself inside her home. She lives along a major route for illegal immigrants.
This woman and many others who live along major trafficking routes say they want to help those who need it. These days, they say they’re just too scared.
FM 1017 is a quiet highway in western Hidalgo County. It’s a major interstate for illegal immigrants. It has been this way for years. The path is the same. The people have changed.
This woman, who is too afraid to show her face or her home, has lived in the middle of the path her entire life. She used to help the people who travel the brush surrounding her house.
“We would give them food, give them water, sometimes shelter so they could sleep,” the woman says.
She says some illegals no longer ask for help. They demand it.
“They’re a little more aggressive. You don’t know whether to trust them,” she says.

 

[The Other Side]

If you raid a building in Irvine or Westminster or Santa Ana and it flushes out 30 illegals.......I'll pay for their bus tickets to Tijuana.

Most of the trouble lies in the border states and a good bulk of illegals could be bussed back to Mex. if that's where they are from. It's a start......there are tons of illegals on the borders of CA. Tex. AZ etc. and most are from Mex. It would make a big difference in returning the money they take illegally to the states to be used by Americans.
All of our soldiers all over the world can come guard our borders and help with the checking employers....instead of trying to help those folks that hate our guts.

It needs to start somewhere. You can't just sit back and whine...."It's too hard"!

Thats the problem with you moreluck, you assume too much. IN your scenario, you assume they are all mexicans, and not south or central americans. To you, everyone is a mexican, thats the problem with the uninformed.

Just cause they speak spanish doesnt mean they used to live in mexico. Get a grip. Now youre talking about plane tickets. Alot costlier than a bus ticket.

Peace.

 

[The Other Side]

All of our soldiers all over the world can come guard our borders and help with the checking employers

WOW, I never thought id here someone promote the NAZI ideals of a military state. The Nazi's guarded the borders and checked employers for jews.

I guess you know what youre talking about, its what you keep saying.

Peace.

 

[moreluck]

WOW, I never thought id here someone promote the NAZI ideals of a military state. The Nazi's guarded the borders and checked employers for jews.

I guess you know what youre talking about, its what you keep saying.

Peace.

You must be a huge Beatle fan because all you do is Twist & Shout!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA9maAERDAs

 

[Babagounj]

GAME OVER
Moreluck wins.
why because tos used the "nazi" card.
It is a well known fact when the "nazi" card is thrown down it means that poster has NOTHING useful left to communicate with.

 

[Babagounj]

tos, contact your masters and have them tax the $20B sent back to the illegals home countries.
A 10% tax would result in $200M , a higher tax even more.
This is your chance to be a hero to them , again.

 

[moreluck]

GAME OVER
Moreluck wins.
why because tos used the "nazi" card.
It is a well known fact when the "nazi" card is thrown down it means that poster has NOTHING useful left to communicate with.

Here I am doing my victory dance........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMePqyHblCo

 

[trplnkl]

Thats the problem with you moreluck, you assume too much. IN your scenario, you assume they are all mexicans, and not south or central americans. To you, everyone is a mexican, thats the problem with the uninformed.

Just cause they speak spanish doesnt mean they used to live in mexico. Get a grip. Now youre talking about plane tickets. Alot costlier than a bus ticket.

Peace.

The vast majority of the people in your scenario came here through Mexico regardless of where they started out. Dump in Calderón's lap and let him sort em out.

WOW, I never thought id here someone promote the NAZI ideals of a military state. The Nazi's guarded the borders and checked employers for jews.

I guess you know what youre talking about, its what you keep saying.

Peace.

Since you are the self appointed resident genius were those Jews you speak of in Germany illegally?

 

[moreluck]

Thats the problem with you moreluck, you assume too much. IN your scenario, you assume they are all mexicans, and not south or central americans. To you, everyone is a mexican, thats the problem with the uninformed.

Just cause they speak spanish doesnt mean they used to live in mexico. Get a grip. Now youre talking about plane tickets. Alot costlier than a bus ticket.

Peace.

Did you not notice I said......bussed to Mex. IF that's where they are from? Oh, I guess not.