BLM vs Bundy

The Other Side

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Is this the best one can do , using that well worn out race card from The New York Times ?
Bundy did make those claims & he is right about the system that welcomes laziness .
Where are most of the Planned Parenthood clinic located ?
Which groups has a higher percentage of convicted criminal vs the general population ?

If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck and quacks like a duck, then its either island fox or rush limbaugh himself.

TOS.
 

Babagounj

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The New York Times printed the story , thus your claim of using a neutral site is meaningless.
Former UN Ambassador Alan Keyes agrees with Bundy's views about the harm and damage that the leftist socialism has done to blacks .
“I find it appalling that we basically have a history of the leftist liberalism that wants to extinguish black people by abortion [and] destroying the family structure,” .
“All of these things if you just look at the effects, you would say this was planned by some racist madman to destroy the black community.” Said Keyes .
 

ImWaitingForTheDay

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Babagounj

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If the BLM was so concerned about collecting money that they claimed was due , then why did they kill the cows ?
Each one was worth a couple of thousands of dollars .
 

island1fox

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Funny and sad to see the ignorance level of a person that is an out-right Racist --accusing others of Racism because he lives in la-la land and every FACT that is presented to him --he either cannot comprehend or just cannot accept the truth.

Of course we know who that is.
 

wkmac

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After watching this video posted elsewhere, I posted the following as moment to it and I'll post it here as to what I think of the Bundy situation.

Cliven Bundy is mormon and whether you agree or not, mormons hold the family unit very high and very important. Whatever holds the family together and makes them stronger to mormons is seen as good even though to the rest of us we might consider it bad. As a man with a family, on some level I can respect that without being in full agreement.

When I listen to Cliven Bundy's comments from that POV, I'm not hearing so much a racist as I'm hearing someone who desires strong families. Bundy is not the most sophisticated speaker and unlike modern PR specialist who know how to parse and spin language, Bundy is no master of that craft. People of the land are typically very plain spoken and easy to misunderstand by city/urban dwellers. Seems to me Bundy sees a threat to family and the family unit more than he's seeing skin color. And how many of us libertarian/anarchists have called the black community the "canary in the coal mine" when it comes to the police/prison state? Are we thus being racist or are we just more skilled at wordsmith to not be misunderstood? Could Bundy be doing the same from his POV but just bungled the words? And how many libertarians and anarchists have been the victims of mass media twistage of words and phrases as it relates to our own ideals? I'll bet even some of my own friends think I'm some kind of bomb thrower when I declare my own anarchist philosophy thanks mostly to crafted media as stenographers for the state. The same one now telling us about Bundy for the same benefactor.

Bundy also lacks a full understanding of history in thinking that in the slave days, families were together whereas the truth is families were often torn apart. Hell, that's no crime as 40 years ago when I was in school, it wasn't uncommon to be left with that impression by the textbooks on some level. The state has always propagated its myths of history when it serves its purposes IMO. Bundy has his history wrong but his deeper point I think I understand because his wrong is not intentional or with malice as I see it.

On most days I'm agnostic and a few days atheist so it would be so easy to just pound this guy into the sand and be done with it. I've no doubt others of my ilk are doing just that on that point alone. It's another reason I don't find it necessary or of benefit to join their collective herds either. I find some claims of "free thought" on their part to not be as genuine as advertised so take that "punch in the mouth" for what it's worth and intended.

But I also attempt a more honest view and when I hear the fuller context and I see it more from his POV, I'm not hearing the same level of racist as others seem to be so I'm willing to let this move along and maintain a "wait and see" as more info comes to light. I don't consider Bundy pure as snow nor as evil as Hitler but I'm not willing to throw Bundy under the bus yet as others seem to be doing and making sport of it. Besides growing up in the south I damn well know a racist when I see one. IMO you'd be surprised how truly few of them there really are. Racism and culturalism are often and easily confused. Bundy at best may well be a victim of this error IMO.
 

The Other Side

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Funny and sad to see the ignorance level of a person that is an out-right Racist --accusing others of Racism because he lives in la-la land and every FACT that is presented to him --he either cannot comprehend or just cannot accept the truth.

Of course we know who that is.


This coming from a person who blames everything going wrong in the country on blacks..

TOS.
 

roadrunner2012

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http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2014/04/the-unedited-bundy-as-vile-as-edited-by.html

fair use excerpt:

A rightwing site proclaimed Hoax Exposed! and posted the unedited footage of the Cliven Bundy interview, claiming that it proved that what Bundy was saying actually wasn't racist - once you saw the context.

I actually wasted about 5 minutes of my life watching it. It's racist as hell, and in some ways the context makes it worse. The Times simply cut it down.

And I can never reclaim that time I lost.
 

BrownArmy

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Mssr. Bundy is 71, so perhaps we can forgive his usage of the word 'Negro', which, in 2014, is so problematic it's not worth discussing.

In his defense, he said he was 'just wondering' if perhaps blacks were better off under slavery.

Ummmmm...no. Not at all.

Yes, perhaps the 'flaming liberal media' is spinning this.

And, the 'flaming right-wing media' is spinning this.

Yes, he points to societal problems that blacks face, yes he's a Mormon and loves family (so much so that he has fourteen kids), yes yes, blah blah blah.

It's almost two separate issues, his idea of not recognizing the guvment, vs. his outdated and outmoded views about black people.

'Negro'? 'Picking cotton'? Seriously?

Amusing to see the right-wing pundits do the two-step and back away from this guy.

Ironically, his case brings up several issues that are worth discussing, but unfortunately he's a poor messenger...
 
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